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Pick my intake! Basic 440 motor #1089180
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Ok, first off….I know that similar questions have been asked here.

However, the search function on here is taking up a lot of time , so here it goes.

Which aftermarket dual plane manifold would work best on a stock 440?

Now, basic information.

1969 Dodge Coronet

440 motor out of a 1970 Chrysler town and country. Motor hold compression, cranking compression ranging from 125-145 range depending on cylinder.

Stock 1970 906 castings with runners cleaned up a bit (burrs and sharp edges removed)

We will be putting a FAST fuel injection system on it.

HP manifolds with full dual exhaust.

Camshaft will be a Comp 268H single grind (.450 lift, 268 deg duration)

Keisler TKO 5 speed with 0.64 overdrive

3.91 sure grip rear end.

This car is my dad’s, and he is looking for a fun road trip cruiser with some muscle for freeway onramp action.

He will not be revving the pi$$ out of it to make power and he won’t be at the track trying to cut tenths of a second off his E.T.

We have the stock 4 barrel manifold, but I guess an aftermarket would help a little….OR would it for this combo?

I was leaning towards an Edelbrock performer RPM for the intake (my brother has one on this stroker motor and loves it), but we are also worried about hood clearance.

I have tried to convince him to go to aluminum heads, but for this combo I am afraid it may hurt his drivability as far as low end torque, the need for headers to make it worth it, etc. What I mean is…I don’t know if the investment would be worth it in this case.

Anyway, what do you think? Stocker 4 barrel manifold, Eddy perf RPM, or other?

Thanks!

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Re: Pick my intake! Basic 440 motor [Re: eightlitermopar] #1089181
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The performer RPM does fantastic on the dyno shoot outs, however It might be too tall, but with a drop down air cleaner you may be ok. The Mopar m1 dual plain is a good choice as we. My two cents.


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Re: Pick my intake! Basic 440 motor [Re: hunterstroble] #1089182
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Holley Street Dominator 1st pick
Eddy RPM 2nd pick...


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Re: Pick my intake! Basic 440 motor [Re: 340SHORTY] #1089183
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Street Dominator with some light plenum work (this can be done even with a small rat tail file). Low profile (lower than the RPM), nice low end torque, very good power, looks good and can be found cheap (read: used).

The RPM would be a not too close second, but way ahead ov anything else. The Edelbrock (non-RPM) dual planes and the Mopar dual planes are too close to the stocker to bother, unless you just want the weight savings.

Re: Pick my intake! Basic 440 motor [Re: Pale_Roader] #1089184
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Why fuel injection?


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Re: Pick my intake! Basic 440 motor [Re: hunterstroble] #1089186
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The performer RPM does fantastic on the dyno shoot outs, however It might be too tall, but with a drop down air cleaner you may be ok. The Mopar m1 dual plain is a good choice as we. My two cents.



Yep. Drop down and Power-Bulge Hood saved the day.

Re: Pick my intake! Basic 440 motor [Re: eightlitermopar] #1089187
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In my opinion, you won't see any gains by swapping out the stock manifold. I'd suggest investing the money somewhere else..

Re: Pick my intake! Basic 440 motor [Re: Danan] #1089188
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In my opinion, you won't see any gains by swapping out the stock manifold. I'd suggest investing the money somewhere else..




I'm with you , anything stock will be fine for this application , if he wants an aluminum intake to save the weight a regular performer, or the CH4B, would probably be a better choice .

Re: Pick my intake! Basic 440 motor [Re: JohnRR] #1089189
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We will be putting a FAST fuel injection system on it...

WHY? that makes no sense. All that money for what gain? I'd think for your application I'd go w/ a CH4B, small spacer and a 750 vacuum holley or remanned AFB.


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Re: Pick my intake! Basic 440 motor [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1089190
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I'd go with a CH4B. Great for the street and there are usually no fitment issues.

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Quote:

Quote:

In my opinion, you won't see any gains by swapping out the stock manifold. I'd suggest investing the money somewhere else..




I'm with you , anything stock will be fine for this application , if he wants an aluminum intake to save the weight a regular performer, or the CH4B, would probably be a better choice .



Also agreed.
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We will be putting a FAST fuel injection system on it



Now that is just plain dumb. dumb, dumb.

Re: Pick my intake! Basic 440 motor [Re: Commando1] #1089192
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I am confused...how would putting fuel injection on a motor be stupid? reliability? increased mileage? Don't have to change out jets everytime we drive 200 miles away from our high elevation? I honestly don't know the answer and I'm not being rude...this is an honest question....

why would fuel injection be dumb?

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We will be putting a FAST fuel injection system on it



Now that is just plain dumb. dumb, dumb.




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Re: Pick my intake! Basic 440 motor [Re: eightlitermopar] #1089193
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I am confused...how would putting fuel injection on a motor be stupid? reliability? increased mileage? Don't have to change out jets everytime we drive 200 miles away from our high elevation? I honestly don't know the answer and I'm not being rude...this is an honest question....

why would fuel injection be dumb?

1. Isn't going to be anymore reliable, 2. won't have increased mpgs (not enough to warrent the cost anyway) and 3 who needs to change jets evey 200 feet of elevation?
The money spent on an EFI system would be better spent on new pistons, heads, exhaust...or almost any other upgrade.

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1. Isn't going to be anymore reliable, 2. won't have increased mpgs (not enough to warrent the cost anyway) and 3 who needs to change jets evey 200 feet of elevation?
The money spent on an EFI system would be better spent on new pistons, heads, exhaust...or almost any other upgrade.




Correction: It's not 200 feet of elevation. It was 200 miles. Going south 200 miles where we usually go can be over 2000 foot elevation drop.

So my follow up question. At what point would fuel injection be a viable alternative? Aluminum heads, bigger cam, headers? Obviously, I am new to the fuel injection thing, so this is why I am asking. If fuel injection was an option, then I supposed a different intake would be beneficial.

thanks for the input guys

And since we are on the subject, would Eddy Performer RPM heads and headers do anything for a motor this stock-ish?

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Re: Pick my intake! Basic 440 motor [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1089195
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If you are going to switch intake, I'd choose the Edelbrock Performer RPM. Great intake, lightweight and looks nice when painted engine color to match.

I put one on our 1968 Dodge Coronet with a 440 4-speed and it clears the hood fine with a Purolator Pure One 4" tall air filter element when using a Moroso 1" drop base 14" round air cleaner.
*Note: I do have the Super Bee / R/T bulge hood on the car.





As for saying saying fuel injection is a waste of money...
While it might not be an immediate gain of power/mileage the 'set it and forget it' aspect of fuel injection is great. As is the ability of instantly tuning the fuel with nothing more then some tweaking on a PC. No removing screws, sticking gaskets, and changing jets.


1969 Dodge Super Bee A12 (440 Six Pack, 4-speed, Dana 60 4.10)

1972 Plymouth Road Runner (400, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

1974 Plymouth Duster 360 (360, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)
Re: Pick my intake! Basic 440 motor [Re: daniel_depetro] #1089196
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Quote:

As for saying saying fuel injection is a waste of money...
While it might not be an immediate gain of power/mileage the 'set it and forget it' aspect of fuel injection is great. As is the ability of instantly tuning the fuel with nothing more then some tweaking on a PC. No removing screws, sticking gaskets, and changing jets.









Honestly, the main concern and reason for "thinking" of fuel injection is avoiding the crappy ethanol gas problems of clogging and tearing up carbs....but I am still open to people with experience and input.

thanks

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Re: Pick my intake! Basic 440 motor [Re: eightlitermopar] #1089197
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1. Isn't going to be anymore reliable, 2. won't have increased mpgs (not enough to warrent the cost anyway) and 3 who needs to change jets evey 200 feet of elevation?
The money spent on an EFI system would be better spent on new pistons, heads, exhaust...or almost any other upgrade.




Correction: It's not 200 feet of elevation. It was 200 miles. Going south 200 miles where we usually go can be over 2000 foot elevation drop.

So my follow up question. At what point would fuel injection be a viable alternative? Aluminum heads, bigger cam, headers? Obviously, I am new to the fuel injection thing, so this is why I am asking. If fuel injection was an option, then I supposed a different intake would be beneficial.

thanks for the input guys

And since we are on the subject, would Eddy Performer RPM heads and headers do anything for a motor this stock-ish?

eight




Ignore the comments about your injection want from the peanut gallery , especially the that thinks a Holley is answer for every single carb recommendation ...

In your case with the elevation change , even on a stock engine , fuel injection is a good choice , if it weren't every single car that rolled out of every single showroom would have a holley 4 bbl on it ...

The head change and the headers will help with power production of course , but you'd probably want to use a different cam , etc....

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And since we are on the subject, would Eddy Performer RPM heads and headers do anything for a motor this stock-ish?

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As John said a bigger cam will help make the heads and headers more effective, but you will certainly see a gain. That non HP cam is so small though you really can find a cam that will idle pretty smooth, have no noticeable low end loss and give you a big mid range gain with todays grinds. If you used the Eddy heads, intake, and headers with something around 220 duration you'd have a pretty tame torque monster.


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Re: Pick my intake! Basic 440 motor [Re: JohnRR] #1089199
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I'd think the money would be better spent on other items. Since you asked I think The RPM would be overkill however a nice used CH4B or S/D intake would be a good choice. A vacuum 750 holley would work well but so would just about any carb besides the Eddy 750. I've been using this "crap" gas since it came out and have yet to have a gas related problem. As for the altitude issue I guess you'll have to see how much you drive 200 miles away. Headers and intake will help pick-up 25hp or so. Not sure how bad your heads are but even a set of 440source heads is probably going to pick you up even more. If HP gain is more important than EFI then the add ons is where you should spend your money. I guess it depends on what you want to spend. Headers, intake and new 440source heads is about $1100.00 If all you want is a strong good running 440, then just tune what you have and save all that cash for something down the road.

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