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Do all body fillers shrink? #1087878 10/03/11 07:48 PM 10/03/11 07:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 570 USA H Hooligan OP mopar
Hooligan OP mopar H Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 570 USA	Hi, I am ready to strip, prime, and body-fill my '69 Super Bee. Is there any body fillers that do not eventually shrink down the road? Also, I just put new AMD quarter panels on it, so I thought about using either USC Dura-glass, or all-metal underneath the final coat of body filler where the factory leaded joints are. Additionally, I would like a recommendation on an initial primer for the bare metal that would kill any rust that is lurking somewhere in seams or wherever. Thanx, Steve

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: Hooligan] #1087879 10/03/11 11:08 PM 10/03/11 11:08 PM
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GardnersGotCudas enthusiast G Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 323 Shippensburg, PA	there is no body filler that does not shrink.finish sanding with 220 grit thanks nick

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: Hooligan] #1087880 10/04/11 07:44 AM 10/04/11 07:44 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass DAYCLONA I Live Here
DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass	do yourself a favor and lead the joints,keep body filler to a minimum, Eastwood.com has plenty of suppliies to accomplish this,....as far as paint prep, you'll get 12 answers to that one question,...but I'll recommend what I prefer, strip the car to bare metal, etch-prime with Dupont VARI-PRIME, I would double coat it, do not sand, then coat with Dupont 2K ureahane primer, block sand, recoat, block until straight, paint......

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: DAYCLONA] #1087881 10/04/11 09:57 AM 10/04/11 09:57 AM
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gtx6970 Too Many Posts Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 21,397 It's a dry heat	Mike, have you actually used any of the eastwoods body solder? I've heard of horror stories with paint reactions to it recently.

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: gtx6970] #1087882 10/04/11 10:53 AM 10/04/11 10:53 AM
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DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass	Bill,....I've used them, If anyone haz had reactions later in their paint, I would think it was poor prep of the area, if you don't leach out the tinning butter (acid) it could come back to bite you later, esp if you open up the solder with a file/sandpaper, and leave the surface coarse, acetone/laquer thinner the lead joint,...even factory lead joints if they've been ground/sanded apon Mike

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: DAYCLONA] #1087883 10/04/11 01:06 PM 10/04/11 01:06 PM
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Hooligan OP mopar H Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 570 USA	Thanx everybody...Can anyone recommend a high quality body filler for my project?

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: Hooligan] #1087884 10/04/11 01:15 PM 10/04/11 01:15 PM
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JMCFAN top fuel J Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,087 New Mexico	Evercoat-Rage Extreme 68 Charger 383/ AT Green/Green VT 70 Roadrunner 383/4sp Purple/Black VT

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: DAYCLONA] #1087885 10/04/11 08:39 PM 10/04/11 08:39 PM
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Sublime70 member Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 84 Minnesota, USA	Quote: do yourself a favor and lead the joints,keep body filler to a minimum, Eastwood.com has plenty of suppliies to accomplish this,....as far as paint prep, you'll get 12 answers to that one question,...but I'll recommend what I prefer, strip the car to bare metal, etch-prime with Dupont VARI-PRIME, I would double coat it, do not sand, then coat with Dupont 2K ureahane primer, block sand, recoat, block until straight, paint...... I agree; lead does not shrink.

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: Sublime70] #1087886 10/05/11 12:29 PM 10/05/11 12:29 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas PAINT IT BLACK Got a CHIP on my shoulder
PAINT IT BLACK Got a CHIP on my shoulder Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas	Not to hijack, but if a filler is used and then shrinks moderately... can a sand/buff permanently erase the evidence or is it just temporary as perceived in my experience??

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #1087887 10/05/11 12:38 PM 10/05/11 12:38 PM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	If things are still moving around cutting it flat & buffing it out is only temporary.... If your patient I prefer to cut it open & wait for solvents to gas out.... Plastic filler moves allot less than primer... "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1087888 10/05/11 05:40 PM 10/05/11 05:40 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas PAINT IT BLACK Got a CHIP on my shoulder
PAINT IT BLACK Got a CHIP on my shoulder Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,647 Houston Texas	What about a year and a half of sitting in a shop with varying degrees of 30F to 120F? It wasn't cut while sitting there, but shouldn't that about do it for gassing out? I have watched what was a perfect black paint job become not as perfect just sitting there. I'm almost done with reassembly, so I'm hoping I can go back and do spot buffing to get it perfect-ish again...

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #1087889 10/05/11 08:31 PM 10/05/11 08:31 PM
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SeventySatellite member S Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 166	So then, if filler shrinkage is an issue, a shop with a quick turn-around time is not such a good idea? Or how about these TV shows that do body, filler and paint work in just a couple of days?

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: SeventySatellite] #1087890 10/06/11 01:10 AM 10/06/11 01:10 AM
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1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: So then, if filler shrinkage is an issue, a shop with a quick turn-around time is not such a good idea? Or how about these TV shows that do body, filler and paint work in just a couple of days? I've seen a couple Overhaulin cars a year later... Still looks ok but you can see plenty of stuff that has moved... Allot of normal people would never see it but people that spell 10K plus on body & paint aren't the type to not notice paint flaws... "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #1087891 10/06/11 01:12 AM 10/06/11 01:12 AM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: What about a year and a half of sitting in a shop with varying degrees of 30F to 120F? It wasn't cut while sitting there, but shouldn't that about do it for gassing out? I have watched what was a perfect black paint job become not as perfect just sitting there. I'm almost done with reassembly, so I'm hoping I can go back and do spot buffing to get it perfect-ish again... More pronounced flaws you may want to cut with 1500 or 2000 before buffing... Buffing polishes but it doesn't really flatten flaws.. "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: Hooligan] #1087892 10/06/11 02:31 AM 10/06/11 02:31 AM
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Silver70 I Live Here Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 18,582 Rust Belt, SW PA	I can't answer the shrinking question other than mixed properly,right temp and not put on too thick, then you shouldn't have a problem. I used fiberglass anywhere I weld after grinding to fill in any holes, pores, etc... then grind it mostly back off before filler. I use epoxy or etch primer before I apply any fillers. 68 Road Runner, 69 Belvedere, 71 Challenger Vert 340 barracuda, 01 Ram CTD, 95 Ram, 04 Ram, 85 Daytona turbo Z 66 GTO, 06 Magnum RT AWD. 07 Ram CTD, 07 Ram

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #1087893 10/06/11 07:14 AM 10/06/11 07:14 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass DAYCLONA I Live Here
DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass	Quote: What about a year and a half of sitting in a shop with varying degrees of 30F to 120F? It wasn't cut while sitting there, but shouldn't that about do it for gassing out? I have watched what was a perfect black paint job become not as perfect just sitting there. I'm almost done with reassembly, so I'm hoping I can go back and do spot buffing to get it perfect-ish again... Fillers will continue to "move" for decades, it will be more pronounced on dark coloured cars, that's why I always stress complete replacement of a panel, or skilled METAL reworking of a panel with no fillers,....grafts/patch panels, and bondo carved cars will come back to bite you years later,...just a matter of time

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: Hooligan] #1087894 10/08/11 12:44 AM 10/08/11 12:44 AM
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kams mopar K Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 515 New Richmond, WI	I worked at Muscle Car Restorations fro 6-7 months and there cars are filler from one end to the other. Thick in some spots, they say that's how its done(wrong). They polyester primed, blocked they used NCP271 for final prime over reduced. To fill in the sand scratches. Lots of different ways, everyone has a different idea on how to do things!

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: gtx6970] #1087895 10/08/11 03:12 AM 10/08/11 03:12 AM
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Barnabas_Kriss master B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,679 Maple Ridge, BC, Canada	Quote: Mike, have you actually used any of the eastwoods body solder? I've heard of horror stories with paint reactions to it recently. I used their lead-tin based solder, no problems at all. 6861544-DSC00508B.jpg (534 downloads)

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: kams] #1087896 10/08/11 09:23 AM 10/08/11 09:23 AM
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Hooligan OP mopar H Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 570 USA	Kams, Do you remember what brand of body filler MCR used? I just remembered that in 1978, I bought a 1966 Hemi Satellite that was solely drag raced from the day it was bought new. The rear wheelwells were radiused for slicks. I sold it in 1982 when gas hit $1 per gallon.(stupid me!) In 2005, A friend of mine found it in a field, buried up to the rockers in the dirt...in Buffalo, NY. He bought the bare body shell for $800.00. The filler on the wheelwells was still intact! When he tore into it, it was on there very thick...up to an inch thick in spots, and that was filler with the quality and technology from 1966, and covered with laquer paint! I wonder how the filler survived under those conditions, for that long of time?

Re: Do all body fillers shrink? [Re: Hooligan] #1087897 10/10/11 09:12 PM 10/10/11 09:12 PM
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kams mopar K Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 515 New Richmond, WI	They used MARSON(3M) 1171 filler I think, am going to use 1131 filler. The galze they use was U-Pol, its really nice stuff.

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