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Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: Kern Dog] #1086399 10/02/11 02:38 PM 10/02/11 02:38 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,705 Florida BDW master
BDW master Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,705 Florida	Anyone find a source for the 3/8" ID & 1/2" OD shims needs for this?

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: BDW] #1086400 10/02/11 03:12 PM 10/02/11 03:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: Anyone find a source for the 3/8" ID & 1/2" OD shims needs for this? Go to Mc Master Carr & type in 3088A466 I/D O/D Quantity Part # Price 3/8" 5/8" 10 3088A466 3.99 The O/D is slightly large but that is the easiest dimension to correct.. "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1086401 10/02/11 03:26 PM 10/02/11 03:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,374 Houston,Tx. L Lee446 pro stock
Lee446 pro stock L Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,374 Houston,Tx.	Got the stage 2 and it is like grandma's Imperial, one finger. They talked me out of the Stage 3, should have went with my first inclination.

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1086402 10/02/11 03:28 PM 10/02/11 03:28 PM
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BDW master Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,705 Florida	Might be easier to open up ID by .020"? McCaster #99432A433 or http://www.smallparts.com/shoulder-lengt...o_pf_B004K1FFVO Hard to believe there's no off-the-shelf part.

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: BDW] #1086403 10/02/11 03:42 PM 10/02/11 03:42 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,705 Florida BDW master
BDW master Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,705 Florida	Best I could find, direct fit, but you need 3 per (0.020" each). I guess that could be good, you can fine tune it. Someone send me 4 for finding them. http://www.amazon.com/Precision-Washer-Bearing-Spacing-Stainless/dp/B004K1FFIC

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: BDW] #1086404 10/03/11 10:26 AM 10/03/11 10:26 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,688 Marlboro, NY, USA R Rick_Ehrenberg top fuel
Rick_Ehrenberg top fuel R Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,688 Marlboro, NY, USA	Quote: Anyone find a source for the 3/8" ID & 1/2" OD shims needs for this? A few guys have mentioned that copper brake hose sealing washers are great for this. I should mention that no amount of pressure fiddling will help a box that's simply worn out. In my experience, after about 75K, the "fine edge" is gone! Rick

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: roe] #1086405 10/03/11 03:58 PM 10/03/11 03:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,962 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 74,962 U.S.S.A.	Quote: I was thinking about using one of the firmfeel units. I've read good things here about them and have decided that I would probably go with a stage 2 box with them. My question is for anyone who has used a parts store reman. I've always had good luck with all my other parts store parts and was looking for experiences with the p/s pump. Is it way over boosted like the original I have? Or would it tighten things up a little from my 40 y/o original box? Any experiences? I dont mind paying the $300 for the firmfeel, but also dont mind saving some $$ and buying the $60 reman if it will do the job. I have only one experience wit ha remaned power steering box , it was a saginaw for a durango , i wasn't impressed wit hit. I'd spend the extra money on new or firm feel.

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: JohnRR] #1086406 10/03/11 06:19 PM 10/03/11 06:19 PM
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 342 dracut mass usa S sparcy enthusiast
sparcy enthusiast S Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 342 dracut mass usa	I have firm feel stage 2 box 11 /16 tie rods late spindles, adjustable upper control arms, plated lower control arms , hotchkiss swaybar. firmfeel adjustable strut rods , firmfeel greasable lca pins with poly bushings notched to hold silicone grease . cop car rotors with calipers mounted to the rear stop flex brake hoses dual diaphame booster 1973 master cly with proportioning valve and metering valve from a T/A (RAMMAN)running dot 5 brake fluid .car out performs my daily driver 2007 magnum . TOOK the car on laborday weekend and my friend drove it and could not get over how well it handled and road .MY customer support from firm was great IF YOU ARE NOT WRECKING STUFF YOU ARE NOT LEARNING !

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: sparcy] #1086407 10/03/11 07:34 PM 10/03/11 07:34 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,695 Bitopia J jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds..
jcc If you can't dazzle em with diamonds.. J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 22,695 Bitopia	Quote: with poly bushings notched to hold silicone grease , "notched", Is this something new? Care to explain, Any pics? Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: JohnRR] #1086408 10/03/11 07:51 PM 10/03/11 07:51 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 12,494 Western Colorado High Desert moparmarks I Live Here
moparmarks I Live Here Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 12,494 Western Colorado High Desert	I'm needing a box right now for a customers 70 Challenger. A-1 Cardon is out of stock. Can send in yours and is a 3-4 week turnout. Autozone has them but have had bad luck with theirs in the past. Think I have the customer talked into a Firm Feel. 72 Satellite Sebring Plus 440, 72 Dart 5.9 4-spd, 68 Valiant, 73 W200, 78 D100 sb, 78 D200, 98 DAKOTA, . Moparmarks Parts & Restorations Desert Mopar Metal Grand Jct. CO 970-261-7039 http://moparmark.com/ motormangj@gmail.com

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: jcc] #1086409 10/03/11 07:58 PM 10/03/11 07:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN A ahy master
ahy master A Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN	I've got the FF stage II box and love it (70E). I liked it even better when I got caster up to 5-7 degrees. The car had fairly high cornering limits from the get go from springs/swaybar and decent tires. With the caster dialed in and -.75 deg camber limits increased but more noticably, it was just fun to corner. It feels "right". FF was great to deal with and helped set up my suspension plan and trouble shoot a little along the way. Next refinement? Probably measure and figure out how to correct bumpsteer if needed. I may play with pump pressure also per the MA article.

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: ahy] #1086410 10/04/11 03:53 AM 10/04/11 03:53 AM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 636 Graz, Austria DGS mopar
DGS mopar Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 636 Graz, Austria	Any experiences with Steer and Gear? They also sell firm feel boxes but are a bit cheaper. They also have a "secret" stage 4 box...

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: DGS] #1086411 10/04/11 04:00 AM 10/04/11 04:00 AM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows? 1_WILD_RT Management Trainee
1_WILD_RT Management Trainee Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 27,347 Today? Who Knows?	Quote: Any experiences with Steer and Gear? They also sell firm feel boxes but are a bit cheaper. They also have a "secret" stage 4 box... I think Rick covered that quite well about 20 posts above yours... "The Armies of our ancestors were lucky, in that they were not trailed by a second army of pencil pushers."

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: DGS] #1086412 10/04/11 08:37 PM 10/04/11 08:37 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,025 Bucks County, PA 5 500Stroker
500Stroker 5 Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,025 Bucks County, PA	Quote: Any experiences with Steer and Gear? They also sell firm feel boxes but are a bit cheaper. They also have a "secret" stage 4 box... I had one of their stage 2's before I went with the FF3. The S&G 2 was very sloppy. I have 50K miles on my FF3. It's still as tight as the day I installed it.

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1086413 10/04/11 09:38 PM 10/04/11 09:38 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Once you drive a Firm Feel box you'll never want anything else. I drive a Stage III box and love it! It take a bit more effort than a "one finger" stock PS setup but I like it that way, better road feel is good IMO. Call Dick Ross and tell him I sent you, he's a good guy! Naturally I was used to a NOS stock box on my 74 that is not that old which is tight and allows me to steer with eze epecially when I'm sliding the car with rear wheels spinning. Then I put a stage 2 FF box in my other car with FF upper control arms. I kind of lost that quick steering control you need when drifting. The upper arms will completely change the way the car handles for the better because of the added caster. I didn't really care for the additional stiffness I had with there stage 2 box with all the caster. I had plenty of road feel with the upper arms. I'm gonna put there upper arms on my 74 with a tight stock box and see before I order my next box for my 3rd and final car. But it'll come from Firm Feel no matter what I buy. Dick took plenty of time with me on the phone like he must do all day long, good people and great products. Last edited by Challenger 1; 10/04/11 09:49 PM.

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: Challenger 1] #1086414 10/04/11 10:53 PM 10/04/11 10:53 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,445 Sterling Heights, Michigan 483... daniel_depetro pro stock
daniel_depetro pro stock Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,445 Sterling Heights, Michigan 483...	Where do we get these larger 11/16" tie rods (source & part number)? I replaced my power steering box two years ago with an A-1 Cardone reman unit from Advance Auto Parts. List price was ~$130.00, and I paid ~$100.00 with a discount coupon from their online store. It is great in that it looks a lot nicer than the old one, it doesn't leak, and it performs as it should. That being said it is just a stock replacement unit, so over-assist is plentiful. Fantastic for a Sunday cruiser around town, personally I'd like to have a little less assist. 1969 Dodge Super Bee A12 (440 Six Pack, 4-speed, Dana 60 4.10) 1972 Plymouth Road Runner (400, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23) 1974 Plymouth Duster 360 (360, 4-speed, 8.75" 3.23)

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: daniel_depetro] #1086415 10/04/11 11:03 PM 10/04/11 11:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN A ahy master
ahy master A Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN	For the OS tie rods, your local parts store. A 70's C body from memory is what to ask for. Or you can get nicer/more expensive versions with solid adjusting sleeves from Firm Feel or Mancini.

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: ahy] #1086416 10/07/11 03:20 PM 10/07/11 03:20 PM
Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 183 Eden, Texas S Strawdawg member
Strawdawg member S Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 183 Eden, Texas	http://www.mcmaster.com/#round-shims/=ee0sv9 brass bearing shim for 3/16 x 1/2 bearing - .378ID x .498OD x .020 $7.59 for 10 #92409A605 I am going to try these Steve

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: Strawdawg] #1086417 10/27/11 11:14 PM 10/27/11 11:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 669 Michigan, USA R ramman5600 mopar
ramman5600 mopar R Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 669 Michigan, USA	Did anyone who purchased the FF units get the optional powder-coating? if so - was it worth the $$$? Thanks -C

Re: Firm Feel p/s box vs stock reman [Re: ramman5600] #1086418 10/27/11 11:23 PM 10/27/11 11:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN A ahy master
ahy master A Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 7,664 IN	I didn't... a clean with solvent, a coat of Eastwood self etch primer and a coat or two of SG black had it looking nice in a few hours. It has held up well also. Powder coat isn't the best thing for the mounting locations either unless it is masked; the thick coating reduces with clamp load at the bolted joint.

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