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Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: jcastle1] #1081868
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35 spline axles match the strength of the rest of the rearend. The larger axles cost the same anyway.

Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: jcastle1] #1081869
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If I switch from an 8 3/4 to a Dana60,will I be able to use the same driveshaft?Or will I have to have it cut down?
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Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: jcastle1] #1081870
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If I switch from an 8 3/4 to a Dana60,will I be able to use the same driveshaft?Or will I have to have it cut down?
John




no the currant one will not fit

Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: jcastle1] #1081871
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Your shaft will be to long, plus you might as well upgrade to larger (1350) u joints while your at it.

Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: justinp61] #1081872
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Is there a difference between a trac-loc and a power-loc?
Is there benefits of 35 spline axles over 30 spline?
Also, I was using a pinion snubber,adjusted 3/4 from floor.I know a lot of you are against them.
What will I do in place of one?I have extra heavy duty leaf springs under the car which I cannnot afford to replace right now.

Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: jcastle1] #1081873
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Is there a difference between a trac-loc and a power-loc?
Is there benefits of 35 spline axles over 30 spline?
Also, I was using a pinion snubber,adjusted 3/4 from floor.I know a lot of you are against them.
What will I do in place of one?I have extra heavy duty leaf springs under the car which I cannnot afford to replace right now.




Powerloc has the clutches in the Sure Grip unit and is rebuildable and arguably will transmit more torque through it before slipping, compared to the Tracloc, which has the cone type sure grip that is not rebuildable (although it can in certain instances be remachined to work again).

The 35 spline axles are stronger due to the increased surface contact of the splines compared to the 30 splines. The 40 splines are stronger than the 35 and so on.
35 splines are very adequate on many very high torque/horsepower applications. Just do regular maintanance check ups on them for twist and if there are any problems peeking around the corner, you can usually catch them before they bite you.


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Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: Chargerfan68] #1081874
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Is there a difference between a trac-loc and a power-loc?
Is there benefits of 35 spline axles over 30 spline?
Also, I was using a pinion snubber,adjusted 3/4 from floor.I know a lot of you are against them.
What will I do in place of one?I have extra heavy duty leaf springs under the car which I cannnot afford to replace right now.




Powerloc has the clutches in the Sure Grip unit and is rebuildable and arguably will transmit more torque through it before slipping, compared to the Tracloc, which has the cone type sure grip that is not rebuildable (although it can in certain instances be remachined to work again).

The 35 spline axles are stronger due to the increased surface contact of the splines compared to the 30 splines. The 40 splines are stronger than the 35 and so on.
35 splines are very adequate on many very high torque/horsepower applications. Just do regular maintanance check ups on them for twist and if there are any problems peeking around the corner, you can usually catch them before they bite you.


Actually the trac lok has clutches and is rebuildable but is a one piece case with 2 spider gears compared to the Power lok that is a 2 piece case with 4 spider gears.

Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: jcastle1] #1081875
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Is there benefits of 35 spline axles over 30 spline?
Also, I was using a pinion snubber,adjusted 3/4 from floor.I know a lot of you are against them.
What will I do in place of one?I have extra heavy duty leaf springs under the car which I cannnot afford to replace right now.




You running a dual-purpose car or is it strictly
for the track? Track only, lose 200-300 lbs (3600lbs total weight) and get the Dana 60 assembly. Dual purpose, just stick to Dana 60 .. period. The 35 spline axles will handle the abuse given. When opportunity arises - switch to the Superstock springs and long shocks, regardless of street or strip. Car weight will dictate which spring application you need.
Or you can run Caltracs, your choice. The extra HD springs are O-K for now, just need to put spring clamps on the front half of the leaves. The pinion snubber, at that height, was doing it's job, but do you have a reinforcement plate above it? If not, put one in. And think about also putting in subframe connectors. Stiffens the frame
and adds some life to the chassis, especially with a 4-speed!! Food for thought!!



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Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: jcastle1] #1081876
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Also, I was using a pinion snubber,adjusted 3/4 from floor.I know a lot of you are against them.
What will I do in place of one?I have extra heavy duty leaf springs under the car which I cannnot afford to replace right now.




If you get a Strange S-60 it will have tne mounts for a snubber.

Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: justinp61] #1081877
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Okay,decided to upgrade to a Dana 60,shorten driveshaft,and go with the 1350 joint/yoke.
Dr. Diff is in Montana,and I was given a number to a guy in Dayton,Ohio about an hour from me call GRGS (Greg's rear-ends).He uses new housings that he gets somewhere in Michigan.(truck,I guess?)
Anyways,he uses Yukon 35 spline axles,4:10 ring/pinion,and choice of sure-grip.No pinion snubber mount is there.
I don't want to be a traitor(this site uses Dr. Diff)but I can save a couple hundred $$ on shipping(since I can drive there)and he says he buys the parts from Cass.The complete unit is about $800 cheaper as well.
I'm not sure who to use,I don't know anything about this guy other than Kammer & Kammer in Dayton reccomend him.
I also have no idea who Yukon is.
I don't want to cut corners here,although I am on a budget.
Please give me some insight here.

Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: jcastle1] #1081878
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Anyone have any thoughts?

Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: justinp61] #1081879
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Also, I was using a pinion snubber,adjusted 3/4 from floor.I know a lot of you are against them.
What will I do in place of one?I have extra heavy duty leaf springs under the car which I cannnot afford to replace right now.




If you get a Strange S-60 it will have tne mounts for a snubber.




Yes it will plus it's easier to set up because of the adjusters for carrier preload.

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Anyone have any thoughts?




Do what you gotta do , if Kammer is recommending the guy then you can't really go wrong there. Do you need the snubber on the rear ?

Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: JohnRR] #1081880
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No,I don't "have-to" use the pinion snubber.I guess I could clamp the front springs.

Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: jcastle1] #1081881
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If I go with a Strange S60,I see it comes with provisions for a pinion snubber.
It's also in my price range.The negative is it comes with a trac-loc as opposed to a power-loc.
They do have a detroit locker type which I have heard negative things about.
I am ready to pull the trigger on something that is bolt-in here,and will hold up on a heavy car with 4-speed.Looking to do a quick swap on something that will last.
ALL REPLIES WELCOME,NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE!.

Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: jcastle1] #1081882
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Why not get a spool? The only time I notice mine is slow sharp turns like in a parking lot.

Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: jcastle1] #1081883
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You are thinking of a Detroit Locker.

The S-60 I quoted you includes a Detroit True-Trac differential. There are no disadvantages for your application other than the cost.

The Dana 60 True-Trac is strong, positive, tight and smooth. It hooks very hard on dry pavement. There are no parts to wear out, there is minimal internal lash, and it operates silently around corners.

Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: DoctorDiff] #1081884
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Dr. Diff,I was referring to a quote I received from Strange Engineering regarding the Detroit-Locker.
I did call you last week as well,I had no idea you were quoting me a price for the Strange S-60.
I will be in touch before Thursday.
I have been calling around to see who has the best deal,who would'nt?

Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: jcastle1] #1081885
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No problem. I'm just letting you know Strange stocks Detroit Lockers as well as Detroit True-Tracs.

Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: DoctorDiff] #1081886
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Thanks to everyone for their advice/replies.
I talked to Dr. Diff today and placed my order.

This guy is very thorough and patient with all my stupid questions.Offered only unbiased opinions.

I shopped around with other competitors,and although he stuck with his price,I felt I could trust what he was telling me and could count on great service if I had any questions on installation or problems that may surface during the install,or repair down the road.
I am glad he explained the exact difference between the trak-loc,power-lok,detroit locker,true-trak,and S-trak.
I went for the S-trak(Strange version of true-trak).
Thanks again for all your help!!!!!!
John

Re: Healthy 383+4-speed+slicks=junk 8 3/4 [Re: jcastle1] #1081887
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Anybody else use a true-trak diff?
Just looking for some insight as to what it feels like street or track,compared to a cone-style sure grip on an 8 3/4.

pacing,
John

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