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deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
#1079279
09/20/11 02:04 PM
09/20/11 02:04 PM
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I want to gain some ground clearance w/ my oil pan. I have a single line ext. Milodon oil system and currently using the 31015 Milodon pan. It's their normal deep sump w/ the single hole for the pickup. I'm tired of it leaking from repairs after hitting pavement. The 30931 pan is what I need, but I already have a 30930 pan in the shop that I could put on. The 30930 is the low profile pan but does not have the hole for the external pickup. Putting the hole in it isn't a problem, my concern is that the sides of the pan are not flat so the static pickup will be tilted. I don't think it would be an issue as long as the pickup is placed as low as possible in the sump, but I'd like to hear from someone who has done it. Anyone have any input/advice/horror stories? Thanks 
CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
#1079280
09/20/11 02:12 PM
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Oak Grove, MN
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Every time I have seen this done with a 30930, the pick up is in the back of the pan. On the flat side not the angled side.
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
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#1079282
09/20/11 02:19 PM
09/20/11 02:19 PM
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Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY
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I want to gain some ground clearance w/ my oil pan. I have a single line ext. Milodon oil system and currently using the 31015 Milodon pan. It's their normal deep sump w/ the single hole for the pickup. I'm tired of it leaking from repairs after hitting pavement.
The 30931 pan is what I need, but I already have a 30930 pan in the shop that I could put on. The 30930 is the low profile pan but does not have the hole for the external pickup. Putting the hole in it isn't a problem, my concern is that the sides of the pan are not flat so the static pickup will be tilted.
I don't think it would be an issue as long as the pickup is placed as low as possible in the sump, but I'd like to hear from someone who has done it.
Anyone have any input/advice/horror stories?
Thanks
Had the same issue for years. Wiped out a number of pans, finally went custom. There are a couple of places out there, get one made to your specs, and I think you won't look back...Just don't use a Charlies!
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
#1079283
09/20/11 02:25 PM
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Yep I have a horror story....I ran the 31010 for 3 years with no problems. I just put a 30930 on mine last week to solve my pan clearance problems and after 2 and a half passes spun #6 rod bearing...Evidently moving a lot more oil to the top then I ever imagined and it uncovered the pickup on launch I think.
The pickups for the 30930 pan are slighly further froward and that coupled with the fact that the bottom of the pan is wider which lowered my oil level even further must have created the situation which almost cost me the engine...
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
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#1079286
09/20/11 03:08 PM
09/20/11 03:08 PM
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BROOK PARK, OH
WILD BILL
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...Just don't use a Charlies!
Why not?
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
[Re: BradH]
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09/20/11 03:25 PM
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an8sec70cuda
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Even the 30930 is 7" deep and still a good candidate to get  by a speed bump in a parking lot. That's the only reason why I haven't considered running one, even though I'd really like a bigger & deeper pan than the "Street Hemi" 6-qt style.
I agree, but I'll take that 3/4" even though it isn't much. Pretty much my only option unless I want to go to a pan like you're using...which I don't think would be a good idea on my motor.
CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
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#1079292
09/20/11 09:34 PM
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Charleston
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adding an inch or 2 to a street hemi pan would be ideal
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
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#1079294
09/21/11 12:52 PM
09/21/11 12:52 PM
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Val-haul-ass... eventually
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...Just don't use a Charlies!
Why not?
Curious here, too. I thought Charlie's stuff was highly rated. 
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
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#1079296
09/21/11 02:34 PM
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Niles , Ohio
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Ive run a 8 qt Morosr pan on the 65 for probally 12 years.Never any problems.Ohio roads are terrible.Its never come close to hitting.Rocky
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
[Re: therocks]
#1079299
09/21/11 07:01 PM
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Balt. Md
383man
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Ive run a 8 qt Morosr pan on the 65 for probally 12 years.Never any problems.Ohio roads are terrible.Its never come close to hitting.Rocky
Same here as I never have any problems with my Moroso pan. Ron
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
[Re: 383man]
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09/22/11 11:30 AM
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Not sure if this pic gives a good idea of how much ground clearance I'd have if there was 2" of oil pan hanging down below the k-member.  I'm leaning heavily at this point to just keeping the low-tech Street Hemi pan and adding an oil accumulator to address potential cavitation issues. Chip - Sorry for semi-hijacking your thread.
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
[Re: BradH]
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09/22/11 12:15 PM
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BradH...no problem, all good info. And yes, my car sits kinda low up front like your's does. W/ 28" tall front tires I have about 3" of ground clearance. I'll have to measure it again to be sure, but it isn't much. Hot summers and a lot of beach traffic are terrible on asphault and cause bad ruts. My last trip to the beach I snagged one coming back through Conway and cracked the pan bad. I made it home w/o hurting anything, but the pan drained itself in a matter of minutes once I stopped in the driveway. The low profile Milodons will get me another 3/4" of clearance. I hate to raise the front of the car any w/ the torsion bars b/c it hooks great and it seems to be sensitive to frontend changes. Not to mention I have the stance where I like it. A deepened 6 pack pan would be nice, but w/ 4.5" of stroke will it cause me any more windage issues? I don't really want to spend $260 on the low profile Milodon pan w/ ext. p/u when I have the other pan here I could drill a hole in. 
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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
[Re: oldtimer5151]
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09/23/11 07:07 AM
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chip ive got a charlies 10 qt ss pan and i had a 1/4 aluminum skid plate welded to it ! need the big pan for all the windage from the big stroke !!!
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
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#1079307
09/23/11 09:04 AM
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Backwater, PA
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Just to through this out there... All of your clearance problems would go away with a tubular front end or a cut up k-member (via SS/AH). Then you could run pretty much near a dragster pan at that point. And you don’t need a deep pan to control windage.
Last Saturday morning I drove mine to the nearest gas station I could find at Norwalk. I needed to fill up with all the runs I was making at the track. I ran into a very tore up section of construction and didn’t have any problems. And I run a 25.5 diameter front tire!
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
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09/23/11 10:07 AM
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oldtimer...I already have bigger bumpstops, came in the poly energy suspension kit I installed years ago. I don't see how that would help though...it scrapes when sitting neutral, not nose-diving as if you slammed on the brakes. Unless you somehow used them to raise the ride height, which I do not want to do. 572charger and bwdst6...thanks, but a fancy new pan or a tubular frontend are out of the question right now. Just got done building a house, so the car budget is slim to say the least. If I had the money I'd definitely do it though. 
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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
[Re: oldtimer5151]
#1079310
09/23/11 11:16 PM
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We are running a Moroso on the 70 RR. Used to have a Milodon. After I killed the 383 (nothing to so with the oil pan) DRAM refused to put it back on given the dents and the fact it showed up at his shop with a wad of JB Weld on it.  He said the Moroso seems to be thicker and is a bit more robust. I would have to agree, even though the Moroso has some dents now. On the other hand, we regularly drive up a road most of you guys would use a flat bed to take your cars up. What I do is to crank up the front end for street driving (basically go for the A/FX look), then lower it at the track. I just count the turns, that might be an option for you. We also have 1" torsion bars which helps. I would like to find a set of cheap 15" wheels to replace the 14" Rallyes to gain more ground clearance but with the house build the finances are tight. Some of the situations we deal with (I am not complaining, it is all about the adventure and the journey), if I can make my oil pan survive this..: After 12" of rain in 24 hours:  Another day during a tropical wave:  Plus we have potholes on the "paved" streets that you know are deep as there is grass a foot tall growing in them.
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
[Re: DusterDave]
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09/24/11 12:38 AM
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Dave, is that an early-1960's Land Rover?
Yes, it is a 67 Series 2A 88 (Short Wheelbase, 88") Land Rover. It is my wife's daily driver, and has hauled the 70 RR up this same road more than once. It is RHD (we drive on the left here, UK and OZ style) and she learned to drive a stick on our other Land Rover, also a 67 but a 109 (Long Wheelbase, 109") 4 door diesel and they are both RHD so she only knows how to shift with her left hand. They are non-synchromesh in 1st and 2nd, she can double clutch like a pro and has actually won money in the brackets with it. 
So, have I completely derailed the thread?
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
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#1079313
09/24/11 12:39 AM
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I will assume that you dont weld or have access to someone that does... I'm in the process of building a new pan for my SB to fit my Rampage... I want 5" of ground clearance(from curb height)... I was going to add 2.5" to the stock pan but I didnt like the clearance so I will add 1" to the currant sump depth but add that all the way to the rear... its pretty easy to figure out what you are adding... 231 cu inches to a gal/4 is a QT... when you add length or width you need to add trap doors and baffles.... of course you need to build a new pick up(at least I do so I can have the PU in the rear) 
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Re: deep oil pans on the street...dilemma
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#1079314
09/24/11 03:41 AM
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30931 pan is 7" deep(I had the 30930 in my chally and worked great)! I had one in dart and my car is low! a guy needed it and I traded him stuff for it... I put the source pan on the dart now and drilled a hole in the side of it with a hole saw and put in the milodon static pickup and it is the same depth! (just figured i'd throw that out there to save ya some funds but may have to ovlong some of the pan rail holes to get it to fit....  but a trick cool looking pan for the price and has a made in USA sticker on it  other than that I'd drill a hole around back as suggested. EDIT: dont see the pan on source site anymore....
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