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Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: 2002bluert] #1076938
09/22/11 12:11 PM
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I would almost bet that you could hook up the vacuum lines, and replace the mechanical linkage with the original style linkage and the outboards would work on vacuum like they originally did.

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: 1970GTX] #1076939
09/22/11 01:17 PM
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If the kill bleeds are not drilled (can be fixed if they are) and you have the correct metering plates and center metering block there is no reason to replace the carbs.If the air bleeds have been modified that can also be fixed.Have someone who knows 6pk carbs check them,you'll save yourself a lot of $ compared to buying a new set.

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: 62maxwgn] #1076940
09/22/11 11:10 PM
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I think I will just sell this set and buy a new set for the car and not mess with it at all. So if you or you know some one interested in these let me know.

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: 2002bluert] #1076941
09/22/11 11:28 PM
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Just get Bill O. to fix them for you (62maxwagon). It will save your carbs and a lot of money.

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #1076942
09/23/11 12:17 AM
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If the kill bleeds are not drilled (can be fixed if they are) and you have the correct metering plates and center metering block there is no reason to replace the carbs.If the air bleeds have been modified that can also be fixed.Have someone who knows 6pk carbs check them,you'll save yourself a lot of $ compared to buying a new set.








*BTW, if it makes any difference to you originals will always hold a premium value wise compared to new ones.

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1076943
09/23/11 12:38 AM
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I don't think it's clear why you want to make the change? Is it a real V code car? Are the carbs original numbers matching carbs? If so, save the carbs. Are you going back to vacuum secondaries to restore it to stock appearing or because it has a hesitation on the takeoff or not running as good as you want? If so, switching to vacuum secondaries is not necessarily going to make it better running? You just have to gave the right setup for your ignition, trans and rear ratio combination. Change the rear and change the carbs and you could end up being disappointed in it's performance and how much money it cost to get to that point. Are you planning to put 1000's of miles on it? Drive it anywhere you want with
the 4.10's. You'll get used to it and it's fun! Just some food for thought. Otherwise, make changes one at a time to your complete satisfaction to better measure the results of your changes.

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #1076944
09/23/11 01:40 AM
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The cars not a V code car and its not a trailer queen I bought it to drive and have fun with. I just want it more drivable is all. I was thinking of changing the gears from 410 to 355 because sometimes we go to car meets way out of town and we like to drive there instead of hauling the car. That and I live out of town a ways so driving it on the highway with 410s is not that great all the time. I was just thinking if I changed it back to stock six pack parts it would be more driver friendly is all. I do realise that a single 4 barrel would be the way to go but the cool factor is just not there...LOL

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: 2002bluert] #1076945
09/29/11 02:19 AM
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I just installed new intake gasket and have been adjusting carbs they are starting to run better but was wondering where the vacuum line to the distributor is to go and any ideas why the idle screws dont seem to make any difference if they are screwed all the way in or all the way out? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: 2002bluert] #1076946
09/29/11 10:17 AM
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If you haven't changed anything from your first picture,you're distributor vacuum line is correct.Since there is no vacuum to the end carbs,is the main vacuum feed on the center body plugged, can't tell from the picture ?
How many turns out are the mixture screws on the end carbs ? If they are out more than 1/4,1/2 turns you are probably running rich and that affects center carb adjustment.In most cases,1/4 turn is all that is necessary and even less with a stock engine.

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: 62maxwgn] #1076947
09/30/11 02:24 AM
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In picture large hose on the top is wide open small hose below distributor is blocked off and large hose on the bottom goes to brake booster.

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: 2002bluert] #1076948
09/30/11 08:37 AM
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In picture large hose on the top is wide open small hose below distributor is blocked off and large hose on the bottom goes to brake booster.



What hose do you have going to your pcv?

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: gtx69] #1076949
09/30/11 11:34 AM
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In picture large hose on the top is wide open small hose below distributor is blocked off and large hose on the bottom goes to brake booster.



What hose do you have going to your pcv?




That's all hokey.....the booster should NOT be plumbed at the carb. It should have a vacuum fitting on a intake runner or the plenum. PCV goes on the bottom large port of the center carb.The top fitting is a vent only....can be left open.

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: superwrench] #1076950
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Sorry the large hose on the center carb goes to the PCV and the brake booster is connected to a fitting in the back off the intake.

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: 2002bluert] #1076951
10/05/11 11:50 PM
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Still fighting with this set up. I changed the intake gasket because I think it had vacuum leaks, pulled the carbs and tightened all the screws because they were all lose and leaking gas,It is starting to run better but cant seem to get the idle screws in the center carb to do any thing. in all the way or all the way out and they seem to make no difference in the way it runs. I did notice that the front and back carbs have small holes drilled in the butterflies and was wondering if that is the way they are? Anyone have any ideas. Thanks

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: 2002bluert] #1076952
10/06/11 01:13 AM
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Small holes are supposed to be in the end carb throttle plates.
Sounds to me like you have a bit of a raunchy cam in that thing, and the idle screw is turned up too far which is uncovering the transfer slots. You may need a ton more base timing (14-18*) so you can adjust the idle screw down. You then might find the mixture screws will have some effect.
I actually had to drill some 5/32 holes in my center carb plates to help. But that's with a 270 @ .050 cam.
DON'T do that UNLESS it's neccessary!!!

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: 1970GTX] #1076953
10/07/11 04:10 PM
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I would buy them!!

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: 2002bluert] #1076954
10/07/11 05:05 PM
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Still fighting with this set up. I changed the intake gasket because I think it had vacuum leaks, pulled the carbs and tightened all the screws because they were all lose and leaking gas,It is starting to run better but cant seem to get the idle screws in the center carb to do any thing. in all the way or all the way out and they seem to make no difference in the way it runs. I did notice that the front and back carbs have small holes drilled in the butterflies and was wondering if that is the way they are? Anyone have any ideas. Thanks







I didn't read too much of the initial post,...so I don't know how much you may have changed in the carbs,.....but start with basics when troubleshooting, generally if you get no responce from the center carbs idle mixture screws, "assuming" you have a decent idle of 800-1000 RPM, and no known vacumm leaks,.. either you have a blown power valve, or lots of crap in the metering block orifices, I'd replace the power valve, start with the original 6.5, to get a baseline on tuning the carbs, remove and blow out with compressed air all the passages in the main center carb metering block, install a new power valve, there are 2 styles of power valves, make sure you get the correct one for the Holley 2300/6 pack series carbs.....also check the condition of the accelerator pump diaphram as you pull the carb apart, confirm the cc size, make sure the check ball and spring are present, I'd stay with a 30 cc unit, just to baseline the tuning, priority is to get the center carb to idle properly and be responsive to tuning, before you can start "playing" with the outboards

mike

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: DAYCLONA] #1076955
10/07/11 09:37 PM
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I think I have finally got it. But wont know till it dries up outside to take it for a spin. I did check everything that DAYCLONA suggested already and everything was ok. I just think I had way to many small vacuum leaks, I just put on new base gaskets even though they looked fine and that seemed to fix it right away.It now idles nice and I can now adjust the idle screws. Thanks for all your help guys.

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: 2002bluert] #1076956
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Just a pic of the car in question. THANKS AGAIN GUYS !!

Re: This one is for the six pack experts [Re: 2002bluert] #1076957
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Sound like what I need for my crossram intake. Send a pm if you decide to sell

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