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#1076394 - 09/18/11 08:20 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: POS Dakota]
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I'm about to do the vipers to a 97-02 spindle myself.

I know you said you're against "kits" but it's a matter of benefiting off someone else's hard work and saving yourself some headache and time!

I actually just picked up a set of brackets off someone that uses the 97-02 spindles, but everyone is afraid of them because they "failed" and is a "poor design" (so I got them for dirt cheap compared to what the original fabricator was selling them for)

well, the design is solid. it's the hardware that sucks. whoever put all the work into making these brackets, having them CNC cut from thick billet steel. the weak point is that it was designed to use the 3 factory dust shield bolts, and they were shearing off.

what size is the head on those? 10 mm if memory is right. meaning the shank is like 6 or 7mm!

I'm going to drill and tap the spindle to use a 3/8" grade 8 bolts. THAT should hold!

if you want, I'll take measurements and pictures of my brackets if you want to try to copy them. I'll even trace them out on paper and send them as a template.
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#1076395 - 09/18/11 08:38 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: 70Cuda383]
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here's some pictures of what I'm going to be using.


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#1076396 - 09/18/11 08:39 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: 70Cuda383]
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#1076397 - 09/18/11 08:40 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: 70Cuda383]
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#1076398 - 09/18/11 08:41 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: 70Cuda383]
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#1076399 - 09/18/11 08:42 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: 70Cuda383]
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recesses...I think for bolt heads. I haven't really messed with these yet, still waiting on calipers to arrive


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#1076400 - 09/18/11 08:44 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: 70Cuda383]
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thickness of the caliper mount position, plus the offset from the "lip" on the back side.


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#1076401 - 09/18/11 08:44 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: 70Cuda383]
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Ah! The Big Block manual trans dakota dude! Welcome! And I am glad to see you're doing this too. Cool!

Yeah, my fear is the front kit brackets. I bought the rear brackets off a friend so they are all I have. They were available.

But I have seen some instances of the kit mounts failing in the front.
Someone made a bracket that attached to the dust shield holes and while I dont know if that alone is the problem, failures have happened from what I've read. I don't know what the factors were or anything like that though. I'm sure the holes could be enlarged to work fine, but maybe not?

But now the dilemma is I'll have a 13 inch rotor with a gen2 viper rear caliper out back, and an 11.3 inch rotor out front with a single piston floating dakota caliper.

Part of me wants to say that's dumb. lol And if andyF can fit big brakes inside a 15 inch wheel, I can at least fit them in a 17 inch wheel without any goofy spacer required with the factory wheels I'm not using.

I just wanted to get more visuals on the approaches people were taking to do this, so I can adapt them to my own junk.

The stock brakes IMO were fine slowing down the lame factory EFI engine back in the day, but now i have to slow this puppy down which is what I guess you could call a medium strength street 408...about a 500hp combo typical of a lot of Brian H's similarly spec'd builds over at IMM. So I need better brakes.


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#1076402 - 09/18/11 08:45 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: 70Cuda383]
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hope that helps!
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#1076403 - 09/18/11 08:48 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: POS Dakota]
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I'm wondering if you bought the front brackets from the same guy I bought the rears from. hehe

But yes, enlarging the bolts in the front brackets in my opinion in your case is definitely the way to go. That would solve the problem.
I had the same thought when looking at them myself.

My first thought when I saw the hardware was WTH???

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#1076404 - 09/18/11 08:53 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: POS Dakota]
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Ah! The Big Block manual trans dakota dude! Welcome! And I am glad to see you're doing this too. Cool!

Yeah, my fear is the front kit brackets. I bought the rear brackets off a friend so they are all I have. They were available.

But I have seen some instances of the kit mounts failing in the front.
Someone made a bracket that attached to the dust shield holes and while I dont know if that alone is the problem, failures have happened from what I've read. I don't know what the factors were or anything like that though. I'm sure the holes could be enlarged to work fine, but maybe not?

But now the dilemma is I'll have a 13 inch rotor with a gen2 viper rear caliper out back, and an 11.3 inch rotor out front with a single piston floating dakota caliper.

Part of me wants to say that's dumb. lol And if andyF can fit big brakes inside a 15 inch wheel, I can at least fit them in a 17 inch wheel without any goofy spacer required with the factory wheels I'm not using.

I just wanted to get more visuals on the approaches people were taking to do this, so I can adapt them to my own junk.

The stock brakes IMO were fine slowing down the lame factory EFI engine back in the day, but now i have to slow this puppy down which is what I guess you could call a medium strength street 408...about a 500hp combo typical of a lot of Brian H's similarly spec'd builds over at IMM. So I need better brakes.




HA! yup, that was me!

the spacer issue is with the stock R/T rims, due to the shape of the spokes and the "offset" of those factory rims. and that they're so thick, bulky and heavy. if you use aftermarket rims, then you can fit 17" wheels without spacers.

the failed kits are the ones I'm using, and just posted pictures of. the ones that attached using the stock dust shield bolts. those are very small bolts to be using to mount giant brakes.

there's another kit out there that uses the 03/04 spindles, and those have been great, no problems with those at all, problem is, nobody is making those anymore, gotta make your own. (and they had the same issue, with the stock R/T rims needing spacers) I helped a buddy put those on his truck, swapped spindles, and used the kit parts that he bought used. he loves those brakes.

I asked Andy F about my brackets, and he said 3/8" bolts would be plenty, since there's 3 of them, when you consider that the factory only used two 1/2" bolts to mount the calipers on the vipers.
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#1076405 - 09/18/11 08:54 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: POS Dakota]
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I'm wondering if you bought the front brackets from the same guy I bought the rears from. hehe

But yes, enlarging the bolts in the front brackets in my opinion in your case is definitely the way to go. That would solve the problem.
I had the same thought when looking at them myself.

My first thought when I saw the hardware was WTH???




probably! he had both!
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#1076406 - 09/18/11 08:57 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: 70Cuda383]
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hope that helps!




It totally helps.
Are you having to space out your front wheels? I saw this is an issue on the fronts with a dakota and viper brembos. I have also read that the caliper position is not all the way on the rotor on the front?

Is this true?

Or is that the bracket that is used on the late model spindle?

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#1076407 - 09/18/11 08:59 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: POS Dakota]
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Also, don't worry about having stupid big brakes on the rear with stock brakes up front. Your RWAL will keep you from locking up the rears too early
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#1076408 - 09/18/11 09:00 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: 70Cuda383]
POS Dakota Offline
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Quote:

Quote:

I'm wondering if you bought the front brackets from the same guy I bought the rears from. hehe

But yes, enlarging the bolts in the front brackets in my opinion in your case is definitely the way to go. That would solve the problem.
I had the same thought when looking at them myself.

My first thought when I saw the hardware was WTH???




probably! he had both!




haha I will forever refer to you in the future as "the guy with my front brackets". lol

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#1076409 - 09/18/11 09:07 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: POS Dakota]
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Mine came straight from a 2005 Mercedes S55. Do you think the owner will miss them?

14.25" front rotors with 8 piston calipers.
13" rear rotors with 4 piston calipers.



They required custom 18" wheels. I understand Ozhemi LOVES to get involved with stuff like this.




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#1076410 - 09/18/11 09:13 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: 70Cuda383]
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Also, don't worry about having stupid big brakes on the rear with stock brakes up front. Your RWAL will keep you from locking up the rears too early




That was one of my thoughts on it too, and another thing is I am running a 28 inch tire out back with a smaller tire in front, so it might be of benefit. One of the things I have to know is if I can look at it, or if it even bothers me.

Nice thing with these trucks compared to a lot of the cars is you can run a reasonably wide tire out front. I was going to go with something skinnier, but I dont want to upgrade brakes only to rear end the poor sucker in front of me. I went with these...they dont cost much and they are pretty good for an ASR tire. They are cheap enough IMO where they can be treated as a consumable like spark plugs.
Plus they look nice to me.

I'm posting tires because they are a consideration when upgrading brakes. These are smaller and lighter than what the truck comes with and combined with my new wheels are a substantial weight savings to boot.

It's funny...last week I had 10 tires sitting here. 4 for my SRT-4 caliber, 4 for my srt8, and I snuck these two in too. The UPS guy hates my guts.


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#1076411 - 09/18/11 09:15 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: feets]
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My front setup required some really funky brackets. Here's a shot of them in process. I was able to take more weight out of them but didn't get a pic of the finished set.

The rears went on using the bottom of a TSM kit and 1/2" spacers.


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#1076412 - 09/18/11 09:16 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: feets]
POS Dakota Offline
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Registered: 12/27/09
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Loc: detroit, mi
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Mine came straight from a 2005 Mercedes S55. Do you think the owner will miss them?

14.25" front rotors with 8 piston calipers.
13" rear rotors with 4 piston calipers.



They required custom 18" wheels. I understand Ozhemi LOVES to get involved with stuff like this.








You were one of the guys I happened across when researching...I saw the pic of the caliper and the abe lincoln for comparison and just laughed. I mean wow...those have to hang your eyeballs out of your head! Just awesome! Thanks for the pictures! This is becoming a great thread.

So do those calipers cost more than my entire 408?

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#1076413 - 09/18/11 09:20 AM Re: Post your custom front disc brake setups. [Re: POS Dakota]
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Quote:

hope that helps!




It totally helps.
Are you having to space out your front wheels? I saw this is an issue on the fronts with a dakota and viper brembos. I have also read that the caliper position is not all the way on the rotor on the front?

Is this true?

Or is that the bracket that is used on the late model spindle?




I don't know yet I actually only have the brackets right now calipers and rotors are on the way. Then I need to turn the hubs down so the rotor fits all the way on. Once I get it installed I'll know more
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