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Re: If your thinking of going turbo..... [Re: SLOW67] #1075729
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Don't know how you did it that cheap man. I have $800 just in the raw pipes, bends, v bands, silicone couplers, fittings, etc. That's not including the turbos and WG's, and I was already running EFI. I used factory manifolds as well.

I probably have $100-150 worth of spare pipe leftover, but still.


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Re: If your thinking of going turbo..... [Re: SLOW67] #1075730
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hey man, would you mind sharing all the details of your build? as in what you have into it money wise and parts wise? I have been debating whether to throw spray or a turbo/blower on to my low compression 360 j/y motor




Parts wise, minus the headers,(use magnum manifolds, trust me), I've got about $800 in the hard parts. Almost everything in the build was from ebay lol so I saved alot of cash there. Some will tell you not to waste your time with ebay "junk" but all of my parts worked fine right out of the box. I can't say how long all of it will last but for the money you can just buy better stuff IF the ebay stuff fails IMO. I did have to upgrade my fuel system though and that added some to the final cost. I had a 3/8 line and an old single outlet fuel cell with a holley pump. I upgraded to a new cell, mallory 4309 reg.,a walbro 190lph pump, and a return line back to the tank. If you don't want to cut up your car, definitely go with meth. injection. A front mount intercooler takes up alot of room and all the piping and stuff adds weight. The $350 for a meth. system is better in the long run. The carb was easy to do...just a basic rebuild on a 650 holley. I did drill out my PCVR holes to 3/32 and it's alittle too much but has saved me from going lean. My 02 reads a steady .930-.950 milivolts until the secondaries open. I'm waiting on my jet kit to get here so I can up my secondaries to keep my full throttle from going lean. The cost and the installation cost all comes down to how well you can fabricate. I was somewhat out of my league on that part of it but learned alot and after messing up a few times I got it right. O yeah, definitely build a bracket to hold the turbo. My GT45 is heavy and would have probably already broke some of my questionable welds lol




wow, only 800 bucks? and that includes the fuel system stuff? Im definitely liking that! lol...I do have fabrication ability, and my dad and two friends have both done custom fab procharger setups a couple of times, so that will definitely help...If i could do it all for under 1300 bucks, that would be gravy! but usually stuff costs more than planned...im still just thinking about this. With those magnum manifolds, do they have to run flipped still?

You may be recieving a pm from me in the future to bug you some more, but a few questions for ya. That intercooler fits okay behind the stock grill? does it interfere with the hood latch, or do you have a glass lift off hood? Also, how did you go about choosing the proper sized turbo for your application? and what ebay seller did you buy from?

Re: If your thinking of going turbo..... [Re: mshred] #1075731
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With those magnum manifolds, do they have to run flipped still?




You can't 'flip' Magnum manifolds (or any SBM manifolds, really) and to-date there's only 1 BBM manifold that can be flipped upside down.

What you mean is 'swapped' side-to-side.

I jump on this whenever I see it so that newbie folks don't get confused...

Re: If your thinking of going turbo..... [Re: Fury Fan] #1075732
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With those magnum manifolds, do they have to run flipped still?




You can't 'flip' Magnum manifolds (or any SBM manifolds, really) and to-date there's only 1 BBM manifold that can be flipped upside down.

What you mean is 'swapped' side-to-side.

I jump on this whenever I see it so that newbie folks don't get confused...




yes that is what i meant lol...i have been using the wrong terminology for it though...thanks for clarifying

Re: If your thinking of going turbo..... [Re: mshred] #1075733
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Let me see if I can make some what of a cost sheet for my build. This doesn't include the headers I bought and messed up only the price of the magnum manifolds...

GT45 turbo- $263
38mm ebay WG- $50
Ebay intercooler/piping and BOV kit- $178
2 boxes of mandrel bends 2.5in.- $125
2 magnum manifolds- $45
oil return/feed line kit with restrictor- $60
T4 flange- $14
Flex joint- $27
2.5in header flanges- $25
3.5in V band- $35
carb hat- $125 i think

$947 for my hard parts...so I was alittle over 800 but just think a nitrous kit is what $600 on a good day new?

I got a good deal on my fuel pump and regulator but, walbro pumps on ebay are cheap and a mallory 4309 regulator is $100 new but I paid $35 for mine on ebay. I had planned on upgrading my fuel system way before I decided to go turbo so that cost was the same either way I went. Most of my misc. items like bolts and gaskets etc I either had laying around or picked up from work so I guess that would add to the cost alittle bit. I have been running an open downpipe but decided this week to run some exhaust down the rocker because I was suffocating while at red lights so that cost me about $150. At the 8psi I'm running now that stock ignition hasn't given a problem but an MSD would be nice, and I do plan on getting a wideband o2 but for now my narrowband heated sensor is doing a mediocre job.

You can get as expensive or as cheap with it as you want to go really but It's still cheaper than building a new motor or refilling a bottle every time you go to the track. I had my doubts about the whole thing half way through when I got fed up with the fab work but I learned so much by doing it the hard way that the next time I build a setup like this it should go really easy

Re: If your thinking of going turbo..... [Re: SLOW67] #1075734
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O yeah...that intercooler was too big to use the stock hood release so all of that is gone and I even moved my trans cooler to the frame rail to get it behind the grille. I just gutted a rusty stock hood I had and pinned it on so it would be light enough to lift off

Let me also say this, my only tools at my house are a sawzall, drill, hammer, cheap side grinder and a Hobart 140 welder. The whole thing was built in my gravel driveway Needless to say I'm building a shop soon, If the bank will loan me some cash. I will be building it myself too from scratch lol

Re: If your thinking of going turbo..... [Re: SLOW67] #1075735
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damn man, this is definitely some good inspiration...alot of good info here to work with and help me get an idea...kudos for doing it yourself with such little tools in a gravel driveway! I do have one last question for you though....how did you decide what turbo would best fit your application and hp goals?

Re: If your thinking of going turbo..... [Re: mshred] #1075736
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is this the turbo and vendor you bought it from? doesn't have a make listed
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GT45-T4-T...9#ht_2057wt_939

Re: If your thinking of going turbo..... [Re: mshred] #1075737
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how did you decide what turbo would best fit your application and hp goals?




You have asked this very same question on every board. I couldn't read the compressor maps either. Your BEST bet is to write down what your goal and combo is and give a reputable vendor a call and they can help you. This is what I did for my application. Still waiting to get it running to see if it all jives.

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Re: If your thinking of going turbo..... [Re: CUUDAK] #1075738
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damn man, this is definitely some good inspiration...alot of good info here to work with and help me get an idea...kudos for doing it yourself with such little tools in a gravel driveway! I do have one last question for you though....how did you decide what turbo would best fit your application and hp goals?




You have asked this very same question on every board. I couldn't read the compressor maps either. Your BEST bet is to write down what your goal and combo is and give a reputable vendor a call and they can help you. This is what I did for my application. Still waiting to get it running to see if it all jives.




It's only been two boards actually, and Ive only asked twice because i haven't got a response lol...but i guess thats a good idea...just not sure who in the turbo world is good to call

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damn man, this is definitely some good inspiration...alot of good info here to work with and help me get an idea...kudos for doing it yourself with such little tools in a gravel driveway! I do have one last question for you though....how did you decide what turbo would best fit your application and hp goals?




You have asked this very same question on every board. I couldn't read the compressor maps either. Your BEST bet is to write down what your goal and combo is and give a reputable vendor a call and they can help you. This is what I did for my application. Still waiting to get it running to see if it all jives.




It's only been two boards actually, and Ive only asked twice because i haven't got a response lol...but i guess thats a good idea...just not sure who in the turbo world is good to call




I delt with Forced Induction. They are a vendor over on TTF. Good guys to deal with and good info... My plan was a 383 but the one I had a crack was found during magnafluxing. Every other block I found had some sort of damage so I had to go with a 400 bored .060 over. Hoping this is not enough cubes to make a difference with the 1.10 turbine housing.


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I chose the ebay unit because of the price. I knew about what size compressor I needed and after doing some research about turbine A/R I decided that the 1.05 would work but be laggy off idle. I was shooting for something in the .80-.90 a/r range but for my initial build most of my choices were out of my budget. I figured I could get it running and upgrade when I have the cash. I wasn't concerned about all out track performance because it is mainly street driven.

Side note: After alittle bit of tuning today I realized that the 3.55's are kinda steep with the 904's first gear. It revs too fast and your going to second too soon. I may try the 2.94's I have but I'm going to wait until I swap to a glide before I change the rear gear

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damn man, this is definitely some good inspiration...alot of good info here to work with and help me get an idea...kudos for doing it yourself with such little tools in a gravel driveway! I do have one last question for you though....how did you decide what turbo would best fit your application and hp goals?




You have asked this very same question on every board. I couldn't read the compressor maps either. Your BEST bet is to write down what your goal and combo is and give a reputable vendor a call and they can help you. This is what I did for my application. Still waiting to get it running to see if it all jives.




It's only been two boards actually, and Ive only asked twice because i haven't got a response lol...but i guess thats a good idea...just not sure who in the turbo world is good to call




I delt with Forced Induction. They are a vendor over on TTF. Good guys to deal with and good info... My plan was a 383 but the one I had a crack was found during magnafluxing. Every other block I found had some sort of damage so I had to go with a 400 bored .060 over. Hoping this is not enough cubes to make a difference with the 1.10 turbine housing.




Try googling turbo calculator. There are lots of factors when going with a turbo charger. I have used this one just for fun and it seems about right. However, it only gives Garrett Turbos as options.

http://www.turbofast.com.au/TFmatch.html

Re: If your thinking of going turbo..... [Re: SLOW67] #1075742
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I chose the ebay unit because of the price. I knew about what size compressor I needed and after doing some research about turbine A/R I decided that the 1.05 would work but be laggy off idle. I was shooting for something in the .80-.90 a/r range but for my initial build most of my choices were out of my budget. I figured I could get it running and upgrade when I have the cash. I wasn't concerned about all out track performance because it is mainly street driven.

Side note: After alittle bit of tuning today I realized that the 3.55's are kinda steep with the 904's first gear. It revs too fast and your going to second too soon. I may try the 2.94's I have but I'm going to wait until I swap to a glide before I change the rear gear




Have you done any research into the reliability of those ebay units like what you are using? the price is very reasonable, just wondering about the quality

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I've heard people say don't touch them they're crap and I've heard some people running them for years with no problems. When they first started selling them on ebay about 2 years ago for a reasonable cost, A guy at my local track bought one and put it on a stock bottom end 302 ford. Needless to say he has went through 3 shortblocks and still has the same turbo!!! Car runs 6.30's on a good day and has been 5.80's on boost and nitrous. I figured I'd take my chances for the money.

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there's at least one monster thread on tmf about the ebay units from people who have used them.

I don't think anyone has suggested you read Maximum Boost by Corky Bell. Feets will tell you to read it a couple times before you do anything to your car.


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there's at least one monster thread on tmf about the ebay units from people who have used them.

I don't think anyone has suggested you read Maximum Boost by Corky Bell. Feets will tell you to read it a couple times before you do anything to your car.




is the thread saying good or bad???

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I chose the ebay unit because of the price. I knew about what size compressor I needed and after doing some research about turbine A/R I decided that the 1.05 would work but be laggy off idle. I was shooting for something in the .80-.90 a/r range but for my initial build most of my choices were out of my budget. I figured I could get it running and upgrade when I have the cash. I wasn't concerned about all out track performance because it is mainly street driven.

Side note: After alittle bit of tuning today I realized that the 3.55's are kinda steep with the 904's first gear. It revs too fast and your going to second too soon. I may try the 2.94's I have but I'm going to wait until I swap to a glide before I change the rear gear




Did you get the smoking issue taken care of???


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I chose the ebay unit because of the price. I knew about what size compressor I needed and after doing some research about turbine A/R I decided that the 1.05 would work but be laggy off idle. I was shooting for something in the .80-.90 a/r range but for my initial build most of my choices were out of my budget. I figured I could get it running and upgrade when I have the cash. I wasn't concerned about all out track performance because it is mainly street driven.

Side note: After alittle bit of tuning today I realized that the 3.55's are kinda steep with the 904's first gear. It revs too fast and your going to second too soon. I may try the 2.94's I have but I'm going to wait until I swap to a glide before I change the rear gear




Did you get the smoking issue taken care of???




Yes I did! I reclocked my housing to face about a 45 towards my point where it re-enters the side of the timing cover and my oil issuse went away. I still have smoke on startup but I tracked that to a leaking intake gasket. I put metal gaskets on like a dumba** and they are leaking fouling my back two plugs That is today's project lol

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The biggest problem people have is having to unlearn what armchair experts state.

Always look for the guy who has "done it" and pay close attention.

I was told by a Chrysler engineer that you can't run fuel through a 2.2 intake, it wasn't designed for it. I just politely handed him a fresh timeslip and indicated I had been doing it for years.

Proof is always in the timeslip.

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