real track back to back test. 6AL & 7AL2. Results
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Right now I'm running the MSD 6AL and HAD the blue HVC2 coil on, but switched to the FireCore CD Coil. I'll be making 2 time runs, then swapping to a 7AL2 and red HVC2 coil. Any guesses if it'll pick up? I'm running E3 Diamond Fire plugs, so it'll be hard to read the plugs, unless I swapped back in some Autolite 64 and 65's.
The millijoules are going from 105 to 160, and input voltage to the coil from 450V to 570v. The engine is running great right now, and I'm hoping to run a new best before the switch. I made a couple of small changes from my 10.89 @ 126 pass 5 years ago.
This will be at Norwalk.
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Re: real track back to back test. 6AL & 7AL2. Friday
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09/10/11 09:53 PM
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No guesses here but I'd sure be interested to know the results.
"Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind"
'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost coming soon! 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
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Re: real track back to back test. 6AL & 7AL2. Friday
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Right now I'm running the MSD 6AL and HAD the blue HVC2 coil on, but switched to the FireCore CD Coil. I'll be making 2 time runs, then swapping to a 7AL2 and red HVC2 coil.
Unfortunately you are changing two things at once. Can you change the coil on the next run, and then change boxes? This is fairly typical of racers making multiple changes and not using a designed test. I did some statistical analysis years ago for a TAFC racer and at one race made several runs not changing anything, and then changed multiple things on the next run. It's impossible to sort all that out. It took me a years worth of data to figure out what he was doing with the fuel system because there were so many variables and so many duplicated runs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factorial_experiment
Try using the 2 X 2 Factorial experiment in four runs.
Run #1 - Box A, Coil A Run #2 - Box A, Coil B Run #3 - Box B, Coil A Run #4 - Box B, Coil B
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Re: real track back to back test. 6AL & 7AL2. Friday
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I agree with what you are saying, however, MSD does not recommend my blue HVC2 to run the 7 Box. I am more or less testing the whole 6 al system to a more powerful 7al system.
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Re: real track back to back test. 6AL & 7AL2. Friday
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09/14/11 02:50 PM
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I agree with what you are saying, however, MSD does not recommend my blue HVC2 to run the 7 Box. I am more or less testing the whole 6 al system to a more powerful 7al system.
Been hit by both, accidentally of course, but the 6al isn't even in the same realm as far as how hard a 7AL2 hits...
My guess .02-.05 I do not like the 6al for most applications.
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Re: real track back to back test. 6AL & 7AL2. Friday
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09/14/11 07:46 PM
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Race is this weekend. I have all of the partss, I'll just need to mount up the 7 and coil after the initial.
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Re: real track back to back test. 6AL & 7AL2. Friday
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09/14/11 09:49 PM
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My on making this change, unless your needig a better ignition system, IE the current one is missing or not jumping the spark plug gap the car will not make a noticeable improvement I have seen improvements when switching boxes in starting and idle quality but not a better MPH or ET at the track until summer time when the air in the Los Angles basin would go in the toilet, IE SMOG wss so thick you could stir it
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Re: real track back to back test. 6AL & 7AL2. Friday
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You guys will love the results.. I need to get the time slips and post tomorrow.
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Re: real track back to back test. 6AL & 7AL2. Friday
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09/18/11 10:35 AM
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My kids 62 300 dropped .2 after he went full MSD 6 digital from the MP ign.He runs constant 13.4s with that big boat.Rocky
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Re: real track back to back test. 6AL & 7AL2. Friday
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Re: real track back to back test. 6AL & 7AL2. Friday
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09/18/11 11:23 AM
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"Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind"
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Re: real track back to back test. 6AL & 7AL2. Friday
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OK, here is the car and engine. 71 GTX, 4070 with me. 472 Hemi, 727, 3500 stall, 4:10, 325-50-15(28" tall M/T Drag Radial). Fri morn, 350 DA, 6 AL., 50/50 93 octane and 110 octane, launch @ 2000. .176- RT 1.612 --60' 4.526--330 6.940- 1/8 101.45- 1/8 9.040 10.811- 1/4 127.21 Fri 1.29 pm, same set-up, 1350 DA, launch @2000 .035 1.605 4.515 6.931 101.48 9.036 10.816 126.57 Same set up, 7 pm, hot track, stage @ 2500, added 1/2 gal 93 octane. .286 1.570 4.482 6.921 100.29 9.043 10.838 125.39 OK, now , with the help of some Moparts buddies, we swapped to the 7AL and matching coil. All we had was a 7000 rpm chip. Added more 93 octane, and this was Sat morn. .117 1.573 4.481 6.920 100.38 9.038 10.825 126.07 100 foot from the traps, I hit the rpm chip. Also, checked the plugs, dead white. We swapped in four - 93 jets into the APD- prepped Dominator replacing the 90's. OK, added another 1/2 gal 93, so all the 110 was surely gone. Forgot to charge the battery, got to the lanes, car died, towed to get it jumped. By the time I re-ran, car was 180 already. I was flustered. Wasted run -.015 1.650 4.603 7.058 99.77 9.194 10.993 125.49 I had 2 inches of 93 in the tank. I added 2 inches of 114. Last run, Kahn from Bob George Racing gave me a 7400 chip. THANK YOU !! .214 1.595 4.520 6.950 100.77 9.064 10.852 126.01 It liked a little bit of race fuel. Timing is locked @ 35 deg. Plugs looked better after this pass. To sum it up, My best runs were with the 6 box. I am keeping the 7 hooked up until Indy. Thenn I'll make some passes, then switch back to the 6. I think I was on a run with the 7 until I hit the chip. Then I think running the 93 octane played a part. More or less, I think using the 7, and jetting up would have netted me better passes.
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Re: real track back to back test. 6AL & 7AL2. Friday
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09/18/11 10:18 PM
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Huh, not much of a difference is there. Nice looking and good running car BTW.
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