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Re: STROKER KITS
[Re: dragram440]
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09/10/11 03:58 PM
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Depends on the rest of your build and intended usage. This is in the race section, not general, so that's going to up the ante. Here's my take on this from a low-buck, mainly street stance. Go with a balanced kit if: You are building a street car that will rarely if ever be at full throttle, the engine will be assembled at home with basic tools and you are not checking every tolerance and fitting each part. The engine will be more for bragging rights and wanting a bit more than stock. Go with the unbalanced if: You or a good, trusted machinist is going to double or triple-check and fit each and every component, the engine will be run hard and long and expected to produce consistant and reliable high HP, and you will use all the available power. Most people fall in between the cruiser bragging that he has a 400+ small block and idling around town and the racer that has a combo that puts others to shame. I would lean toward expecting that some fitting and changes will be needed on the rotating assembly. Stuff like ring fitting, bearing or piston coating, cleanup of clearances, rod bolt changes or smoothing of the piston tops can all change the weights of the components. It makes sense to do all of this fitting and setup before final balance to me.  I would also add that if you are taking a bunch of parts to a machinist, it makes sense to have them responsible for all the special work done. If the cost is fairly close, have them do the balancing too.
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Re: STROKER KITS
[Re: RodStRace]
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09/10/11 04:08 PM
09/10/11 04:08 PM
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oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
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oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
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My machinist checks everything at least 3 or 4 times.Then he checks it again.Last 2 blocks he did for us are fantastic.Rocky
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Re: STROKER KITS
[Re: RodStRace]
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09/10/11 07:14 PM
09/10/11 07:14 PM
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Depends on the rest of your build and intended usage. This is in the race section, not general, so that's going to up the ante.
Here's my take on this from a low-buck, mainly street stance.
Go with a balanced kit if:
You are building a street car that will rarely if ever be at full throttle, the engine will be assembled at home with basic tools and you are not checking every tolerance and fitting each part. The engine will be more for bragging rights and wanting a bit more than stock.
Go with the unbalanced if:
You or a good, trusted machinist is going to double or triple-check and fit each and every component, the engine will be run hard and long and expected to produce consistant and reliable high HP, and you will use all the available power.
Most people fall in between the cruiser bragging that he has a 400+ small block and idling around town and the racer that has a combo that puts others to shame. I would lean toward expecting that some fitting and changes will be needed on the rotating assembly. Stuff like ring fitting, bearing or piston coating, cleanup of clearances, rod bolt changes or smoothing of the piston tops can all change the weights of the components. It makes sense to do all of this fitting and setup before final balance to me.
I would also add that if you are taking a bunch of parts to a machinist, it makes sense to have them responsible for all the special work done. If the cost is fairly close, have them do the balancing too.
My duster is not a dailey driver but a strip/street car. My foot WILL be in it!!!! My 360 block is .040 so I dont know how many cubes it will make but Im not looking to set the world on fire. Id like to get a NICE 400+ SB with steel crank,H beam rods and forged pistons. I would use everything else in my current set-up to save money. I would thing with everything I have now in my 360 and then make it a 400+,I would think it would make at least 550HP and id be VERY happy with that!!!
I have PMed Dan and he has PMed me back...I will call him next week.
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Re: STROKER KITS
[Re: MIKES_DUSTER]
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09/10/11 08:25 PM
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Chino Valley
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Glad to hear you got my subtle hint that you shouldn't expect out of the box to be perfect and that things should be done in order, not just slapped together.  dragram440, yes all precautions should be done and everything should be assembled with care, but sometimes there is the 'all I can afford' or the 'good enough, it's still better than factory' mindset. There will always be the dirt driveway rebuild at under a grand with a set of tools that came in a suitcase and a borrowed torque wrench. That guy needs a runner and can't afford the time and money to make everything perfect. With the cost of stroker kits coming down to the point where it's almost as cheap as stock pistons, rings, bearings, a crank grind, reconditioning the rods and new bolts, some may decide to get one for a few bucks more and not be able to afford or do all the stuff that 'should' be done. Maybe it's a case like the member in South America where he can't find a decent local machine shop and shipping/import would be more than the parts.
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Re: STROKER KITS
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09/11/11 11:19 PM
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Is there any other size cranks besides a 4" and if so,what are they and how many cubes could you get??
Mike I know you read dang near every thread in the race section so you know the answer to this. BPE makes a 4.125 and a 4.25.
Buy I dont know how many cubes it will make in my .040 360?? I dont know how to figure it out,sorry
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Re: STROKER KITS
[Re: MIKES_DUSTER]
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09/12/11 08:38 AM
09/12/11 08:38 AM
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Buy I dont know how many cubes it will make in my .040 360?? I dont know how to figure it out,sorry
Bore X bore X stroke X .7854 X the number of cylinders.
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Re: STROKER KITS
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09/12/11 10:05 AM
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Is there any other size cranks besides a 4" and if so,what are they and how many cubes could you get??
just be careful, i've seen more than one guy destroy a stock block. more stroke = more cubes but IMO the stock block will only handle the extra side loading for just so long.
Please tell hard block and a main girdle will help. 
I know I'm probably pushing the limit with a 4" stroke combo. The guy I got this cam from said they made 650 HP with it in a Super Stock 340 engine. I figure I have much better heads (W5), induction system (TR w/750's) and 60 more cubes so if I can't match his numbers I'm going quit.
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