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STROKER KITS #1072191
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When buying a stroker kit,would you buy it unbalanced and have a machine shop balance it or buy it balanced??

Re: STROKER KITS [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1072192
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Re: STROKER KITS [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1072193
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From your location, close to Dan at performance machine, I would call Dan, and have him price ya a balanced rotating assy. He did mine, K1 crank, Diamond pistons, and I had the Rods, Childs track master rods.

I dont believe he balancedmine, but I ordered a 440 rotation assy from him, and it came balanced, and quit perfect.

Dan is the man for sure. Id like to know how many states have had work done by Dan.

Thanks for everything everytime Dan!!

kasey

Re: STROKER KITS [Re: StrokerAspen] #1072194
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It just depends on who does the best job.

Like... Some shops drill into the counterweight and then just weld the mallory in. While better shops will drill across the counterweight and press the weight in. Some shops will just keep drilling holes when the crank is built for a heavier bob weight. Better shops will cut the counterweights down to start with making the crank lighter.

Some things just take more time. Some shops are lazy.

You choose.

Leon


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Re: STROKER KITS [Re: Leon441] #1072195
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Thanks Kasey and Leon.....VERY GOOD INFO you gave me Leon!!!!!

Re: STROKER KITS [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1072196
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Are you kidding me ???? Parts people sell parts......would you want to trust the word of a guy selling you a part and telling you its balanced ???? I would (and I do) take all my parts as a total assembly (rotating mass) and have it balanced.........why take a chance ??????

Re: STROKER KITS [Re: Leon441] #1072197
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It just depends on who does the best job.

Like... Some shops drill into the counterweight and then just weld the mallory in. While better shops will drill across the counterweight and press the weight in. Some shops will just keep drilling holes when the crank is built for a heavier bob weight. Better shops will cut the counterweights down to start with making the crank lighter.

Some things just take more time. Some shops are lazy.

You choose.

Leon


I have seen and ran both types Always check your shops work, if you can


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Re: STROKER KITS [Re: johnzgarage] #1072198
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Are you kidding me ???? Parts people sell parts......would you want to trust the word of a guy selling you a part and telling you its balanced ???? I would (and I do) take all my parts as a total assembly (rotating mass) and have it balanced.........why take a chance ??????




If your buying from a known machine shop,you wouldnt take their word??? Ohio Crankshaft,Muscle Motors,Mancini,etc??

Re: STROKER KITS [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1072199
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Mike, talk to Vic Ferra over at Brevard Cylinder Head. Mopar guys and he has great equipment. I bought my crank from BPE because I already had rods but bought the pistons and had all the machine work done by Vic. They are in Cocoa.


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Re: STROKER KITS [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1072200
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Yes Mancini, Yes Muscle machines, Yes OHIO, others, NO! Id never trust eagle, or say scat, id check their stuff.

Re: STROKER KITS [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1072201
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Are you kidding me ???? Parts people sell parts......would you want to trust the word of a guy selling you a part and telling you its balanced ???? I would (and I do) take all my parts as a total assembly (rotating mass) and have it balanced.........why take a chance ??????




If your buying from a known machine shop,you wouldnt take their word??? Ohio Crankshaft,Muscle Motors,Mancini,etc??



I dont have anything against those shops, but a simple thing as having it balanced , should be checked. Strange things can happen. I had one engine I had balanced four times because of changes made in the assembly.

Re: STROKER KITS [Re: Moparnut426] #1072202
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From your location, close to Dan at performance machine, I would call Dan, and have him price ya a balanced rotating assy. He did mine, K1 crank, Diamond pistons, and I had the Rods, Childs track master rods.

I dont believe he balancedmine, but I ordered a 440 rotation assy from him, and it came balanced, and quit perfect.

Dan is the man for sure. Id like to know how many states have had work done by Dan.

Thanks for everything everytime Dan!!

kasey




Kasey, thank you for the kind words. we never solicit it, but it's always nice to hear that kind of feedback from our customers.
by the way, at least 30 states and 5 foreign country's so far.

i also agree with what Leon said. we see all kinds of shortcuts other shops take, from swiss cheese balancing to heavy metal welded in from the outside of the counterweight.

Mike, if there's something we can help you with just let me know.


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Re: STROKER KITS [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1072203
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Problem is.... MOST of us dont have balancing equipment
so your going to end up taking someones word on it...
so who do you trust the most... like Leon said a good
shop will put some time into it(but it cost)... I
like to turn them down then add a bit of weight closer
into the mains(pressed in fore and aft in the counters
so they dont just spit it out)... I prefer a local
shop
EDIT
I have a local shop that I happen to like and he
does some nice work for me

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Re: STROKER KITS [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1072204
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Dan...ill be sending you a PM.

Re: STROKER KITS [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1072205
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Call dan .he didn't pay me to say that either lol

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PM sent to Dan.

Re: STROKER KITS [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1072207
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I paid $195 to have my stroker assembly balanced. Most kits I've seen cost about $175 more if you buy them balanced.

$20 is well worth it if (like in my case) you have a trusted shop with which you are familiar do the balancing.


-Jim

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Re: STROKER KITS [Re: 471Magnum] #1072208
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I have a eagle kit in my car and I bought it already balanced. It came with a balance sheet with hand written numbers on it. I personally looked at it quick but dont really know what the numbers mean. It seems to be working good. There was definately some machine work to be done befor assembly but I believe the machine shop left the balance alone. I did the final assembly and its still together!


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Re: STROKER KITS [Re: dragram440] #1072209
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Mike,

I replied to your PM re: strokers...I'd only add that you can;t go wrong going to Dan Costello and following his advice to a Tee. He did a 4.15" to 4.30" offset grind and main turn down for my 517B off an Old MP 4340 crank for me and the machine work was flawless and turns in the block like it was on roller bearings. In addition to that he called me and asked in advance how I wanted the bearing clearances set and the job was delivered on time and for the very fair price he promised.

A general comment on Strokers is that any time you up the cubes into a stock block you're 'using up some durability 'safety margin' by subjecting the block to piston velocities and side loading well beyond anything it was originally intended to see. Expert block prep is another key to reliability and if there is one "mistake" I see a lot of guys make is that they chase too much RPM in their combos rather than simply tune their chassis to ET on the abundant excesses of torque. Just because you can doesn't always mean you should and raising the torque peaks and shift points too high usually doesn't net enough of a real and consistent ET gain to offset all the higher stresses and longevity compromises many bracket racers make to get them.

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Re: STROKER KITS [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1072210
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While most well known shops will do a good job, I got burnt by two well known ones. The crank got thrown in a box and shipped without it being touched. Cost me over $250 to fix. The second time I ordered something from a long ways away, a machining step was skipped. So due to two problems out of two, never again. I want to be able to put it in the truck and go talk to them in person.


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