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Let's talk primer and paint #1063157
08/26/11 01:56 AM
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Ok, so me and a buddy (fellow Moparts member) were talking. I was telling him that I was at the local auto paint place and picked up some Nason epoxy primer. When I was at the paint place, I specified that I wanted a quality primer and paint system for my convertible. I stressed that I planned to use a quality line of compatible products on my car and wanted to ensure they would work well together, rather than jumping paint brands. I only planned to buy the primer today but expressed my future plans to help the selection process. I go on to tell my buddy that they recommeded the Nason to me. During our discussion he tells me that Nason is not the premier line. Although I did not think I was buying the most expensive paint on the market I did specify I wanted quality. So I guess I was a bit disappointed that a more thorough response was not provided by the people I bought my primer from. Im not saying it is bad, but I would have like to have all the facts to base my decision on.
So this brings me to the question. What do you think is a quality line? Would you mix brands? I tried to find feedback online and got lots of different responses. Some described Nason as the best bang for the buck and other indicated they would choose something else. I usually get good feedback from Moparts members so I thought I would ask. Please provide your opinions.

Re: Let's talk primer and paint [Re: moparmojo] #1063158
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Short answer, take it back.... Nason is the low line Dupont product...


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Re: Let's talk primer and paint [Re: moparmojo] #1063159
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Re: Let's talk primer and paint [Re: BDS871Cuda] #1063160
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If your looking for something wild sure, but not for high quality normal paint jobs


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Re: Let's talk primer and paint [Re: moparmojo] #1063161
08/26/11 08:01 AM
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I use Dupont and Nason all the time. Nason...It's a good alternative to the top of the line stuff.

I'd recomend Dupont 2510 DTM epoxy primer and I use feather fill poly primer by Evercoat on top of my dupont primer, then another coat of 2510 on top of that as a sealer, then lately I've been shooting Nason BC/CC. It's OK paint and looks good when done. Some of my Nason paint jobs are approaching 5 years now and it is holding up good.

It's not all bad, but not top of the line, can you afford top of the line? I think it's better than PPG Omini line, that stuff is like water.

I'm shooting big trucks with lot's of paint, I don't need or want the premier paint.

I did a tailgate and fender on a pickup truck yesterday.

Re: Let's talk primer and paint [Re: Challenger 1] #1063162
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i have painted numerous cars and bikes with nason paint,they look great and have been holding up well for many years.i dont care what paint is used, if its not applied correctly its no good.

Re: Let's talk primer and paint [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1063163
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Short answer, take it back.... Nason is the low line Dupont product...


Take it back and spend a little more for the good stuff. I cheaped out when painting my 510 and now after 6 years its showing all sorts of marks in the finish. Mind you it is outdoors all year and not covered. This was there single stage enamel.

Re: Let's talk primer and paint [Re: 64legacy] #1063164
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Short answer, take it back.... Nason is the low line Dupont product...


Take it back and spend a little more for the good stuff. I cheaped out when painting my 510 and now after 6 years its showing all sorts of marks in the finish. Mind you it is outdoors all year and not covered. This was there single stage enamel.




I do have to point out that BC/CC is more durable than single stage paint. Should have used a urethane additive, it helps a lot.

Re: Let's talk primer and paint [Re: Challenger 1] #1063165
08/26/11 11:25 AM
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OK here is my I have no idea what nason is but I am a PPG guy and I also use their value line which was OMNI and is now SHOPLINE.

However as far as the epoxy primer, I use the shopline all the time or the Omni when it was that brand, as I believe that the expoxy primer for the brands that house or use both are basically the same. You cant prove it but thats my take. I see no difference in the expensive PPG epoxy primer and the cheaper of the same by shopline, both made by PPG mind you.

Now, I dont care for dupont, thats just me, but if your going to use Dupont paint, then the epoxy primer would probably be fine. Remember its just epoxy primer, the finish is in the topcoat primer and like above I use the Evercoat AND block the heck out of it and then use what ever topcoat I am using.

I will tell you that I am impressed with the SHOPLINE for most of my projects.

Now on the Cuda vert, I shot it in PPG two stage years ago. I had a buddy re shoot it a few years ago to make it a bit nicer and I used (as he reccomended) STANDOX. Its a great paint.

RUMBLON

Re: Let's talk primer and paint [Re: RUMBLON] #1063166
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I have painted with PPG, Valspar and Dupont.

I can honestly say that you make any paint look like crap with poor prep work. On the other hand, with strong prep work you can make them all look great!

I have had the best success with PPG, but that does not mean that other brands are inferior. Even so much to admit that Valspar was better than expected.

Re: Let's talk primer and paint [Re: moparmojo] #1063167
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I used Wanda BC/CC paint from Napa for my 73 Roadrunner Nice paint lays down nice the base coat covered in 2 coats but I still put 3 on plus my orientation coat because of the metallic and flip in the paint ( Toyota tundra Raceway blue) the Lesonal clear Layed down nice without any runs ( I call runs my signature). I used the PPG single stage paint on my Cuda I thought it was crap paint and had to put a ton of it on to get good coverage (Top Banana yellow). I painted my Challenger with OMNI BC/CC paint and thought it was worse than the PPG the clear sucked I think I had to put 5 coats of base on to get good coverage and the same with the clear it sucked too ( 2005 mustang GT Screamin yellow). On the Bodywork forums nobody likes the PPG OMNI paint anymore and they tell people to stay away from their epoxy.

Re: Let's talk primer and paint [Re: moparmojo] #1063168
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I took these wheels and tires off thepickup this morning. Dismounted the tires and sand blasted them bare. Put them in Dupont 2510 DTM epoxy primer all by lunch time.
Then shot them in argent silver in PPG lacquer that I had on the shelve now for about 5 years. I was getting nervous and afraid it was going bad. To tell you the truth it sprayed kinda funny today? I think the paint may be going bad, 5 years old.
Anyway I got em done and ready for the tire mounting and balancing. They should look nice with Mopar argent silver!!

You really have to know your stuff when you spray 3 kinds of paint by 2 different suppliers in one day. I sprayed BC/CC, single stage urethane cat acrlic enamel and lacquer all today.


My messy paint mixing table.


Also did some stuff in gloss black today and did my new WV 15X10" wheels I got for my 74.

Re: Let's talk primer and paint [Re: Challenger 1] #1063169
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I've used Nason before on a set of wheels I refinished and I thought the primer, paint, and clear worked really good. But since I am not a painter I really dont have experience with anything else. So what is considered the better paint lines and what is the difference in price. (Best bang for the buck?)



Re: Let's talk primer and paint [Re: moparmojo] #1063170
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I've used Nason epoxy before and didn't have any problems. I've used a couple of other brands and none really stood out from the others.
I probably wouldn't use Nason color or clear for a high dollar car but I've used it successfully for more 'everyday' jobs (color only, Transtar clear). It dies not cover as well as Dupont's more expensive lines but I always seal with the same valueshade as called for if I was using Chromabase and it works fairly well.
I also use Nason for single stage jobs as that's all that is available at my supplier since they quit selling Centari.
I painted the car pictured below using Nason epoxy primer , Transtar DTM high build primer, Chromabase base coat, and Transtar High Gloss clear. (Base and clear provided by customer).
Dallas


2012 Rallye Redline Challenger, 1st new car!
2010 Ram 1500 4wd HEMI-hauler
2014 Dodge Dart-gas saver
4 projects and a bunch of parts cars, losing interest since buying the Challenger lol
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Re: Let's talk primer and paint [Re: MOBodyman] #1063171
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Sweet paint job.

Re: Let's talk primer and paint [Re: moparmojo] #1063172
08/27/11 03:18 PM
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Usually there is not much difference between brands with epoxy primers ,some are thicker and require more reducer or have slightly different sheen when dry.As for Basecoat,Nason is the lowest of the low IMO,requires 5 or more coats to get decent coverage,while Wanda,Matrix,Pro-Spray do it in two coats.I like using Matrix and Wanda base and Matrix AG-40 High-solids clear.I use Evercoat G2 primer.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with mixing brands, I've been doing it for well over 20 years and guarantee my work for life,if I had problems, I wouldn't mix brands or wouldn't warranty.

Re: Let's talk primer and paint [Re: elitecustombody] #1063173
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AHHH ... Featherfill G2 I love that stuff it makes doing bodywork almost easy and getting a car nice and smooth a breeze even for a semi amateur like me.







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