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i know i know it been beat to death but 400/440?????? #1062613
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ok guys i have did alot of reading and asking?????there are alot of guys that say your best bet is go 400 block for my stroker build,then some say 440 is fine...how many of you guys have had a 700/800 400 and did it last,did you use a girdle,did you half fill,full fill it??????i know its alot of ???? but how are you going to learn???? also i know get a race block but 4000.00 block is not in the budget right now and im ready to get some work going on this thing soon....now the reason i was hooked on the 440 is some parts i have are 440 but i can sell or trade for 400 stuff....
so this is what i'm lookin or wanting to do car will be backhalf ladderbar coilover,glass bumpers,deck,hood,and maybe doors 70 duster...front will be converted over to coilover,and rack,so im thinking 27/2800lbs also my do lexan glass in all doors not sure yet...would like to put this thing in the 5.90/6.0 range at most any time ...
so lets hear about the bad 400 and why you went 400...im just trying to get this thing going to race,but would like for it to be able to be around til i can shoot for the race block..

as i said i know get the race block but please read not in the budget right now...

Re: i know i know it been beat to death but 400/440?????? [Re: earthmover] #1062614
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I think a 700-800 horse stock block is gonna be a time bomb but there are guys getting away with it with a stud girdle and aluminum main caps.
My last 2 400 motors went 6.20's with around 650 HP at 3050 and 3200 pounds, one was a 451 and one was a 500. I used the 400 block and aluminum caps, no girdle.
The 3050 pound car had Eddy heads and a 590 purpleshaft cam.
The 3200 pound car had older 440-1 heads(329 cfm) and a roller cam. Both were pretty much pump gas motors.

Re: i know i know it been beat to death but 400/440?????? [Re: ProSport] #1062615
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hey prosport i was just reading over your specs on a post i saved ..thanks i just got to come up with a good plan and go to work on it...ive got some friends with 400 and they are flying 1 go's 5.20 in a 73 cuda chassis car stock block ,then there is another that just moved from maryland that goes in the high 8's in a daytona stock block ..guess i just have to get my stuff in order and roll with it..mike

Re: i know i know it been beat to death but 400/440?????? [Re: earthmover] #1062616
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EVERY 440 I have ever owned has been "BEAT TO DEATH".


I'm a 440 kinda guy..... but 800hp...?


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Re: i know i know it been beat to death but 400/440?????? [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #1062617
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im not really lookin 800 more in the line of 650/750 to get the car down in the times i would like to run ..i know the lighter the car the less,and better on parts thats 1 thing i'm gonna do aswell...

Re: i know i know it been beat to death but 400/440?????? [Re: earthmover] #1062618
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A longer rod has less side load on the walls. To achieve your goal, you can use either block. Sonic check it, then half fill, girdle and billet mains. At the weight you are wanting to run, the ET you want will be easy with good heads and keeping it under 6500 rpms.

Re: i know i know it been beat to death but 400/440?????? [Re: Mopar-Al] #1062619
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Re: i know i know it been beat to death but 400/440?????? [Re: ProSport] #1062620
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I think a 700-800 horse stock block is gonna be a time bomb but there are guys getting away with it with a stud girdle and aluminum main caps.
My last 2 400 motors went 6.20's with around 650 HP at 3050 and 3200 pounds, one was a 451 and one was a 500. I used the 400 block and aluminum caps, no girdle.
The 3050 pound car had Eddy heads and a 590 purpleshaft cam.
The 3200 pound car had older 440-1 heads(329 cfm) and a roller cam. Both were pretty much pump gas motors.




Very intresting u run that fast,Im getting ready to get mine to the track, 383,with indy heads,and a 4.25 stroke crank and have been wondering what kinda times it will run, u r starting to scare me LOL

Re: i know i know it been beat to death but 400/440?????? [Re: earthmover] #1062621
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I built a 400 into a 500" stroker. was lucky and started with the '71 400 block. Added BCR aluminum caps and stud girdle. No block fill (street car).
I think the cost of the engine block, main caps, stud girdle kit, and machining to fit the main caps and girdle was about $1,500. This could have gone towards a race block, but I'm on a budget too.
Being on a budget I used the 440 source 500 stroker kit, flat top pistons, with the longer 6.76" rods which is one of the lightest bobweight kits so it should not stress the block as much as the longer stroke, shorter rod, heavier 512" kit.
I have chassis dynoed the engine to 7000+ RPM, but with my mild cam I usually shift under 6,500 RPM at the track. Rear wheel HP was around 560 HP in full street trim. I would guess easy 650+ at the crank?
Engine is using Edelbrock Max wedge Victor heads, and an INDY 4150 flange intake, and 1,000 cfm HP carb. I think the carb may be a bit too small for the engine? The one issue of using a 400 block is there is not as large selection of intake manifolds compared to the 440 block.

Re: i know i know it been beat to death but 400/440?????? [Re: 451Mopar] #1062622
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AHHH are still planning on using the 572 heads that you were telling me about?" I cannot remember if they had the 2.300 or 2.350 valves but on a stock block that is going need addressing.Todd

Re: i know i know it been beat to death but 400/440?????? [Re: earthmover] #1062623
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ok guys i have did alot of reading and asking?????there are alot of guys that say your best bet is go 400 block for my stroker build,then some say 440 is fine...how many of you guys have had a 700/800 400 and did it last,did you use a girdle,did you half fill,full fill it??????i know its alot of ???? but how are you going to learn???? also i know get a race block but 4000.00 block is not in the budget right now and im ready to get some work going on this thing soon....now the reason i was hooked on the 440 is some parts i have are 440 but i can sell or trade for 400 stuff....
so this is what i'm lookin or wanting to do car will be backhalf ladderbar coilover,glass bumpers,deck,hood,and maybe doors 70 duster...front will be converted over to coilover,and rack,so im thinking 27/2800lbs also my do lexan glass in all doors not sure yet...would like to put this thing in the 5.90/6.0 range at most any time ...
so lets hear about the bad 400 and why you went 400...im just trying to get this thing going to race,but would like for it to be able to be around til i can shoot for the race block..

as i said i know get the race block but please read not in the budget right now...



I'd do the 4.25" arm with "440" mains in a 400 block using alloy caps. 512"ish with a MW port area in an SR or EZ head because your choice for rockers is cheaper if you decide to put a gentle roller in it. There is a Duster for sale out of Florida (green) in these classifieds you can pattern your build after or even just buy the car.

Re: i know i know it been beat to death but 400/440?????? [Re: earthmover] #1062624
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I have been running 400 block strokers since 2001. It was a 451 back then. Then I grew it to 471 (3.915" stroke). And in 2006 I prepared another 400 block for my 4.25" stroke 511 CID, and the other block is now a spare. I went low deck since it fits easier in the stock A-body engine compartment. Not was wide or as tall (hood) as a RB block. Also I feel the cylinders and main webs are a little less likely to crack on the 400 blocks. But you have to sonic check the cylinder walls at this power level and select the best thickness you can find.

I am using the aluminum main caps with ARP studs. Tall fill to 2.5" from the deck. This 511 has over 750 passes on it, I put new rings and bearings in last winter.


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Re: i know i know it been beat to death but 400/440?????? [Re: 451Mopar] #1062625
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I built a 400 into a 500" stroker. was lucky and started with the '71 400 block. Added BCR aluminum caps and stud girdle. No block fill (street car).
I think the cost of the engine block, main caps, stud girdle kit, and machining to fit the main caps and girdle was about $1,500. This could have gone towards a race block, but I'm on a budget too.
Being on a budget I used the 440 source 500 stroker kit, flat top pistons, with the longer 6.76" rods which is one of the lightest bobweight kits so it should not stress the block as much as the longer stroke, shorter rod, heavier 512" kit.
I have chassis dynoed the engine to 7000+ RPM, but with my mild cam I usually shift under 6,500 RPM at the track. Rear wheel HP was around 560 HP in full street trim. I would guess easy 650+ at the crank?
Engine is using Edelbrock Max wedge Victor heads, and an INDY 4150 flange intake, and 1,000 cfm HP carb. I think the carb may be a bit too small for the engine? The one issue of using a 400 block is there is not as large selection of intake manifolds compared to the 440 block. [/quote What cam with this combo ?

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Re: i know i know it been beat to death but 400/440?????? [Re: 65dragnet] #1062626
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hey Todd the 572 is my buddies motor world block deal with some heads i think you have had your hands on before lol. ..and as far as the 400 block deal i have heads -1 2.25/ 1.81 i think valve, i have 440-2 intake and a soild roller cam 731 lift and t&d rockers(1.6), i have alum. rods 7.125 howards for 440 ,but if the 400 will last and take more i would be ahead of the game if i use the 400 block and sell off the intake to but a 400 intake and just buy a good kit or parts that i like for the build...thats way im stuck in the 400/440 i have some parts but want a good workin motor that will get me through til a block is in the budget...but i would also like to run the #'s aswell...

lets just say most you stroker guys had the parts (block aswell) heads,rockers,cam,lifters,intake,rods for the 440 which way would you build??????

hey hardcore thanks for the tip on the green duster i took a look at it and thats a nice setup ...good plan to follow aswell mike

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Re: i know i know it been beat to death but 400/440?????? [Re: earthmover] #1062627
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good post, I have a 73, 440 motorhome block that I am trying to figure out what to do with.


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Re: i know i know it been beat to death but 400/440?????? [Re: 440Jim] #1062628
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Not was wide or as tall (hood) as a RB block. Also I feel the cylinders and main webs are a little less likely to crack on the 400 blocks.





The above is true and why I feel the 400 is the better/safer Block to build.

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For what it's worth. I have two Stroker Big Blocks that both use 440 Blocks. So far, we have had no issues with them. One is a 505" with SR Heads, the other 499" with EZ heads.

The 505 has been 10.07 @ 133.5 in a 3900 lbs car.
The 499 has been 9.92 @ 135 in a 3400 lbs car.

Both are putting out about 750 at the flywheel?

Re: i know i know it been beat to death but 400/440?????? [Re: RATTRAP] #1062630
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I think a 700-800 horse stock block is gonna be a time bomb but there are guys getting away with it with a stud girdle and aluminum main caps.
My last 2 400 motors went 6.20's with around 650 HP at 3050 and 3200 pounds, one was a 451 and one was a 500. I used the 400 block and aluminum caps, no girdle.
The 3050 pound car had Eddy heads and a 590 purpleshaft cam.
The 3200 pound car had older 440-1 heads(329 cfm) and a roller cam. Both were pretty much pump gas motors.




Very intresting u run that fast,Im getting ready to get mine to the track, 383,with indy heads,and a 4.25 stroke crank and have been wondering what kinda times it will run, u r starting to scare me LOL




LOL, the first big block I ever put together everyone predicted a 10,20 and I laughed. But first day out it went 10.73 and a couple months later went 10.20!

A mild 451 with 11.5 compression at around 3100 pounds with good Eddy heads and a cheap cam like the 590 will flat out run! Mine had a tunnel ram and a big hood scoop so the 500" Indy headed roller motor in the 69 Dart made a little more power but I love the cheap 451/470 motors with solid flat tappet cams and Eddy type heads.

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Custom comp cam with HXL lobes, 264/264 @ 0.050" 0.714"/0.714" with 1.6:1 T&D rockers, 112 LSA, but probbably run better with 110 LSA.
I was going to run a larger cam, but was afraid I may run out of piston to valve clearance. Deeper piston valve pockets may be needed for larger cams?







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