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Do these numbers make sense #1059542 08/22/11 04:42 PM 08/22/11 04:42 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Just wondering if any one can look at the interval times vs the time slip info and see if everything jives or if the car is falling somewhere. Please disregard the first pass.

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: WILD BILL] #1059543 08/22/11 04:49 PM 08/22/11 04:49 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S. M moparniac master
moparniac master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S.	1/8 to 1/4 mph seems low to me at 24mph gain... Mopar Performance

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: moparniac] #1059544 08/22/11 05:05 PM 08/22/11 05:05 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill D dennismopar73 top fuel
dennismopar73 top fuel D Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill	nah! mph gain is what i want to see,, 24 is actually realy great, an ave would be 20 mph. its the 60 that comes n goes, tires old, ?? bars correct? air presure? maybe a suirter, acce pump?? Last edited by dennismopar73; 08/22/11 05:07 PM.

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: moparniac] #1059545 08/22/11 05:07 PM 08/22/11 05:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,296 Chicago, IL TonyS451 master
TonyS451 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,296 Chicago, IL	its been a while since I was running those numbers, but I remember my old Demon ran 10 teens at 132 or so. But it was a small tire deal and best 60 ft was a bout 1.42. I would say your 60 is very nice for the times you are running and the car is working great. 2 kids and a dog

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: TonyS451] #1059546 08/22/11 05:18 PM 08/22/11 05:18 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill D dennismopar73 top fuel
dennismopar73 top fuel D Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill	youre biggest change is in the 60 , from 1.404- down to a 1.36? all the rest seams to be closer even when the 60 is off, even tho the 60 at the best you have is still no faster in the 1/4 that that of the worse ,

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: dennismopar73] #1059547 08/22/11 05:20 PM 08/22/11 05:20 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S. M moparniac master
moparniac master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S.	Quote: nah! mph gain is what i want to see,, 24 is actually realy great, an ave would be 20 mph. its the 60 that comes n goes, tires old, ?? bars correct? air presure? maybe a suirter, acce pump?? I was stating that cause my chally picked up 27mph and my dart picks up 27mph and they were a second apart N/A.. Mopar Performance

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: moparniac] #1059548 08/22/11 05:34 PM 08/22/11 05:34 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	I guess I was just thinking that given the 1/8 mile times maybe it was losing something after that. I know I need to do something with the 4 link and perhaps add a rear sway bar to level it out but my focus on TnT nights has been with the girls cars. Sometimes I don;t even get to make a single pass with mine. Maybe I just need a track rental with someone that knows how to set up a chassis

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: WILD BILL] #1059549 08/22/11 05:44 PM 08/22/11 05:44 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas dannysbee master
dannysbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas	60 Foot 1.40 330 Foot 4.05 660 Foot 6.36 660 MPH 106.91 1000 Foot 8.36 1/4 Mile ET 10.08 1/4 Mile MPH 131.5 These are the idea increments for a 131.5 mph run. Looks pretty close to what you are doing. Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: WILD BILL] #1059550 08/22/11 06:18 PM 08/22/11 06:18 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY CompWedgeEngines master
CompWedgeEngines master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY	24mph back half isnt out of the ordinary for a 10.00-10.30 ish car. A car as lite as yours I'd expect maybe 25-26mph, but your not out of the realm of reality at all. 27mph back half is a strong pulling car, or a bigger motor.When you see 27 mph on the back, its typically a 500" or larger motor. I'd say overall its pretty noraml, and not knowing your camshaft, gear and converter, I'd not be too concerned with it. Your incrementals show a failry consistent shift point. The 60' is a significant variance, but not knowing the track conditions, and weather, it may be nothing at all. RIP Monte Smith Your work is a reflection of yourself, autograph it with quality. WD for Diamond Pistons,Sidewinder cylinder heads, Wiseco, K1 rods and cranks,BAM lifters, Morel lifters, Molnar Technologies, Harland Sharp, Pro Gear, Cometic, King Engine Bearings and many others.

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #1059551 08/22/11 06:50 PM 08/22/11 06:50 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor master
VernMotor master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	For me I am looking at it as a bracket racer .First thing I want to know is the time frames between these runs. be hard to dial the car.with runs like that. I want to know why it pick up and slow down..did the car sit between run 5 and 6.. 10.04 then 10.08 then 10.04 ? looks like something went on out 1/8 -330. 60 ft are the same .? I have to know more info ..like weather ..and what the track was doing. does the car drive around out there ? I thinking rear shocks too stiff ? But I am looking at it to dial it . My car pick up and slow down..but there are reasons why..and I see them and can dial the car for it.

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: WILD BILL] #1059552 08/22/11 07:08 PM 08/22/11 07:08 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Bill MOST of your issue is the 60'... could be a multiple of weather, track or both... the 330 tends to follow the 60'... I would like to see a 25 mph spread from the front to back half but yours is close... have you tried jetting.. could be a touch lean

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1059553 08/22/11 09:56 PM 08/22/11 09:56 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,628 Columbus, Ohio wheelsup68dart master
wheelsup68dart master Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,628 Columbus, Ohio	What I noticed was that your best run was with the worst DA and your worst run was with best DA

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: wheelsup68dart] #1059554 08/22/11 10:06 PM 08/22/11 10:06 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor master
VernMotor master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Quote: What I noticed was that your best run was with the worst DA and your worst run was with best DA Well I did't see that..that tell us it lean

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: VernMotor] #1059555 08/22/11 10:13 PM 08/22/11 10:13 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S. M moparniac master
moparniac master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S.	bill just asking but did you jet up? runs 5 & 7 pretty close increment but much better air in run 7! Mopar Performance

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: VernMotor] #1059556 08/22/11 10:13 PM 08/22/11 10:13 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,410 Belpre,Ohio C CHAPPER master
CHAPPER master C Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,410 Belpre,Ohio	Quote: For me I am looking at it as a bracket racer .First thing I want to know is the time frames between these runs. be hard to dial the car.with runs like that. I want to know why it pick up and slow down..did the car sit between run 5 and 6.. 10.04 then 10.08 then 10.04 ? looks like something went on out 1/8 -330. 60 ft are the same .? I have to know more info ..like weather ..and what the track was doing. does the car drive around out there ? I thinking rear shocks too stiff ? But I am looking at it to dial it . My car pick up and slow down..but there are reasons why..and I see them and can dial the car for it. What does Pam and Jenni say... J/K If you like drag racing, support your local track.

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: VernMotor] #1059557 08/22/11 10:27 PM 08/22/11 10:27 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: What I noticed was that your best run was with the worst DA and your worst run was with best DA Well I did't see that..that tell us it lean Thats what I was getting at

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: WILD BILL] #1059558 08/22/11 10:37 PM 08/22/11 10:37 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,923 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,923 NC	To be more helpful, more than just the DA change that day needs to be considered. The temp, humidity, and just to be sure the the barometric pressure for each run. I have seen what happens when the temp goes down and the relative humidity goes up and the ET doesn't change. And the same for morning til afternoon when the temp goes up, but the relative humidity goes down. You saw a 1200 ft DA swing on the same day, that is a lot. Also if the car did anything different on a run. Spin, moved side to side (driver steer), etc.

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: 440Jim] #1059559 08/22/11 10:53 PM 08/22/11 10:53 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Here's the same log book W/ the weather data.... Here's the times each run was made. run #2 @ 11:36 PM fri night All the rest on Sat Run #3 @ 11:26 AM Run #4 @ 04:02 PM Run #5 @ 07:27 PM Run #6 @ 10:01 PM Run #7@ 11:02 PM I know have issues to work out in getting the car to leave based on the last post I made and the videos it looks like it's coming up harder on the left and unloading the tires a little just after the install hook. I have not as of yet had a chance to make any chassis or jetting changes. Paying to much attention to the girls cars I suppose and ignoring my own.

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: 440Jim] #1059560 08/22/11 10:54 PM 08/22/11 10:54 PM
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,037 Mooresburg, Tn ' '72CudaRacer top fuel
'72CudaRacer top fuel ' Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,037 Mooresburg, Tn	Bill, something that I've not seen mentioned is the reaction times. They're all over the place. Are you sure you're putting the car in the same place each time? That will effect the 60' times quite a bit (not traveling the same distance each time). The split times are acceptable, but like most of us, the run hinges on the 60' times. Just something else to look at. Brian Dunnigan

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: '72CudaRacer] #1059561 08/22/11 11:04 PM 08/22/11 11:04 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	The RT's are most likely me being all over the place. I try to just flicker the bottom bulb

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: 440Jim] #1059562 08/22/11 11:14 PM 08/22/11 11:14 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY CompWedgeEngines master
CompWedgeEngines master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY	I agree Jim, about 2 or 3 weeks ago, we had .2-.3 TENTHS of a second change from morning time trials to evening racing.....and thats not a mis print....everything in the weathe rhas to be considered....its usually a hundreth ( or so) for each 200-330 of density change, but if you are working from just density altitude alone, it wont get you the right dial.....its very critical on the blown top outlaw car, where we have tons of variables that can change. RIP Monte Smith Your work is a reflection of yourself, autograph it with quality. WD for Diamond Pistons,Sidewinder cylinder heads, Wiseco, K1 rods and cranks,BAM lifters, Morel lifters, Molnar Technologies, Harland Sharp, Pro Gear, Cometic, King Engine Bearings and many others.

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: WILD BILL] #1059563 08/22/11 11:32 PM 08/22/11 11:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio S Sport440 master
Sport440 master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,591 Canton, Ohio	The incrementals are pretty much inline for a great [chassis/setup efficiency] The second half mph is about 1 mph low though, no biggie. You should be picking up around 25 MPH vs 24 MPH. My ride picks up 26 MPH witch is about 1 mph high IMO But Im more aerodynamic with my Abody. You do have traction issues as you already know. I like the input of the DA vs ET, lean vs rich.

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: Sport440] #1059564 08/23/11 01:03 PM 08/23/11 01:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,878 United Socialist States of Ame... T tboomer Too Many Posts
tboomer Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,878 United Socialist States of Ame...	Great thread,Bill! Some good info to share!! Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: tboomer] #1059565 08/23/11 01:47 PM 08/23/11 01:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,982 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart master
gregsdart master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,982 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	Looks to me like there might be a variance in when the clocks are tripped at the 60 ft and 330? Does the front ride high? Real lose? The one slow pass (7?) first thing I thought of was it may not have been straight. I lose a bunch after the 60 ft if the car makes a move one way or the other. Also, might be a touch off on the tuneup some where to throw the numbers just a bit on the incrementals Vs total ET? The thought just occurred to me that if you manually shift, a variance in shift rpm might skew the numbers, but the right powerband may average it out. My ETs got more consistent by over .01 when I went to the air shifter. The 1/2 shift came at the end of the wheelstand and I wasn't consistent enough. Last edited by gregsdart; 08/23/11 01:52 PM. 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: gregsdart] #1059566 08/23/11 02:09 PM 08/23/11 02:09 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL OP Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	The car sits low in the front (actually the whole car is low) and the front end is tight. I tried loosening the front shocks and didn't like how it handled at the top end. I do manually shift it so I'm sure there is some margin there.

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: WILD BILL] #1059567 08/23/11 02:30 PM 08/23/11 02:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,982 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart master
gregsdart master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,982 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	One thing that might provide some info about whether your incrementals are really moving around, or being skewed by what trips the beams would be a fin under the front valance, as low as allowed, even with the front bumper. Also throws the competition in bracket racing a curve if painted flat black 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: Do these numbers make sense [Re: gregsdart] #1059568 08/23/11 02:48 PM 08/23/11 02:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,878 United Socialist States of Ame... T tboomer Too Many Posts
tboomer Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,878 United Socialist States of Ame...	stripe taker?? Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

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