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!!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it #1058737
08/21/11 05:54 PM
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well i took my dart racing last nite for the frist time this year and on the 12 pass i broke the tail shaft into.which let me say is the frist time i have ever done that.So i am looking for answers why so i dont do it again. i have used this shaft before with no problems. but last year i broke my 8-3/4.locked the rearend going into second gear at the track.the drive shaft never left the car etc. but when the rear let go it shook the car pretty hard.i took the trans apart to check the sprag etc and ever thing looked fine.so i put it back togeather.also had a 1350 end put on my frive shaft and had the shop check to make sure the drive shaft was not bent.he said it tesetd fine. so last nite on my last pass i did a biger burnt out for the stands. the car launched very hard and i was off.the car ran great no vibraions etc. so i get back to my pit stop and the girl friend comes running up thinking i blew up the engine. i say no and ask why. she said as soon as i took of there was a lot of smoke coming out from under the car. so i start checking and thats when i see the broken tail shaft.
so my question is what caused the tail shaft to break? i mean what should i look for? also i have another tail shaft. should i just put another on on and drive on or should i pull the out put shaft out and have it checked or just build another trans? the clutches etc still looked brand new the last time i had the trans apart. which only has about 15 passes on it. here is a pic of the broken tailshaft.thanks Mopar65


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Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: mopar65] #1058738
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ONE(or a combo) of these three things(IMO) ... bent D-shaft, bent output shaft and/or you damaged the bushing in the tail housing and the D-shaft yoke is wiggling-around and causing enough vibes to break the TSH.

Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: dOc !] #1058739
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ONE(or a combo) of these three things(IMO) ... bent D-shaft, bent output shaft and/or you damaged the bushing in the tail housing and the D-shaft yoke is wiggling-around and causing enough vibes to break the TSH.


All the above plus you could have cracked the tail shaft from the previous diff failure and didn't notice it. You gotta start from square one and check it all.


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Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: mopar65] #1058740
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I think when you took out the rear it cracked the tail,
since you said the drive shaft is fine and you dont have
any vibrations.... I'm thinking you never looked to
see if it was cracked.... then add a few more launches
and.... you know

Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1058741
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thanks for the info guys. I am pretty sure i checked everything over.but maybe i missed the tail shaft. so do you guys think i could just install a new tail shaft and be ok? the car did drive on the trailer under its own power and i was running around 125-126 mph in the 1/4 last nite? thanks bobby


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Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: mopar65] #1058742
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Am I seeing things, or is the bushing in that mount junk?

Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: Dart1031] #1058743
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Am I seeing things, or is the bushing in that mount junk?




dont really know. have not crawled under the car to check. but that is a brand new mount that had 0 passes on it untill this weekend.mopar65


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Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: mopar65] #1058744
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thanks for the info guys. I am pretty sure i checked everything over.but maybe i missed the tail shaft. so do you guys think i could just install a new tail shaft and be ok? the car did drive on the trailer under its own power and i was running around 125-126 mph in the 1/4 last nite? thanks bobby




ALL cars flex its just a mater of how much... I think
the car flex took it out.... even with the rubber mount...
and being NEW its stiffer than a old one..... JMO

Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: mopar65] #1058745
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Have a driveshaft shop check the shaft on a lathe, the same thing happened to me last year, I broke the 8 3/4 off the line the car shook bad, after that I was cracking the tail shafts every other time I took the car out, car did not seam to vibrate down track, I finally took the shaft to a shop and he said it was bowed in too places, you couldn't see it turning it in the car with a straight edge, after changing the shaft I never broke another tail housing.
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Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: mopar65] #1058746
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Hi man,I broke 3 just like that,turn out my driveshaft was 1" to long.~~~ bentwheel43


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Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: bentwheel43] #1058747
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When my diff broke it did cause the tail shaft to break in about the same place. It was on the launch off a T brake so it was instant and a little more violent then yours was.

I would suspect that yours was cracked when your diff broke then just took a little longer for it to come apart.

FWIW, my output shaft was OK and just needed a new tail shaft housing but definitely get your checked.


Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: bentwheel43] #1058748
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Mine broke in almost the same spot a few years ago after I swapped trannies. Turned out that the output shaft was bent. How the heck did that happen?



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Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: DaveRS23] #1058749
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They all break in the same place... through the speedo
hole... its just the weak point of the tail shaft...
its a matter of what causes it... I have a buddy that
has a quick car that went through 3 tail shafts in
4 weekends... his was a bit different but he has a
front plate, mid plate and he was running a solid trans
mount... I told him the first time to get rid of the
solid trans mount... he didnt... then after the third
he finally did... since then its been fine.... you
cant tell how much flex a car will have

Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: mopar65] #1058750
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sometimes it hard to say what broke yours?
i know of allot of them that racers i personaly know , and race with have broken so many and with diffrent trans in same day
that now they carry couple as spares,
now for me , i have never broke a 1 not a single one ,,
one can blame a previous breakage, etc, i have even heard that tires being out of balance will do it to? ring pinion gears , lose pinion nut,,
so i wouldnt say could be all the above,
i waiting for someone to mount a camera on that area, and look n see what type of flex is going on in that area during launch and
de-accelleration, and what type of forward/rearward movement get involved as well, during a run?
just a thought

Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: DaveRS23] #1058751
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Your big burnout could have did it. That's what broke mine. You had several runs then bang it's broke.
A driveshaft that's too long will do it as well.

Did you shortin the shaft when you went to the Dana?

Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: dennismopar73] #1058752
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ooo by the way if you can find one out of old van they are alittle more beefier in that area

Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: dennismopar73] #1058753
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thanks for the replys guys.I am still runing the 8-3/4 in my dart. dont have the money for the dana yet.I am running the 318 to big block coversion motor mounts and the stock tansmission mount.I will have to check to make sure. but i think i have over a inch of the yolk sticking out of the tail shaft.how much are you soposed to have? i know stuff breaks but this is a frist for me.yes i would like to find one out of a van or a truck. i have heard they are stronger.I have another tail shaft i am going to put on it.for no so at least i can move it off the shop floor if i need to and have to wash all the trans fluid off the bottom of the car.i might just find another trans to build up and use this one for spare parts. or if you guys think i will be ok to just put a new tail shaft on this one and try it again?thanks Mopar65


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Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: mopar65] #1058754
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thanks for the replys guys.I am still runing the 8-3/4 in my dart. dont have the money for the dana yet.I am running the 318 to big block coversion motor mounts and the stock tansmission mount.I will have to check to make sure. but i think i have over a inch of the yolk sticking out of the tail shaft.how much are you soposed to have? i know stuff breaks but this is a frist for me.yes i would like to find one out of a van or a truck. i have heard they are stronger.I have another tail shaft i am going to put on it.for no so at least i can move it off the shop floor if i need to and have to wash all the trans fluid off the bottom of the car.i might just find another trans to build up and use this one for spare parts. or if you guys think i will be ok to just put a new tail shaft on this one and try it again?thanks Mopar65




Should only have 3/4" on the drive shaft length...
so bottoming out sure wasnt the problem

Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1058755
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When mine broke I went through the trans to check everything and it was all good so I put a new tail housing on and let er rip.


Re: !!!Broke my auto trans tail shaft!!!! what cause it [Re: mopar65] #1058756
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thanks for the replys guys.I am still runing the 8-3/4 in my dart. dont have the money for the dana yet.I am running the 318 to big block coversion motor mounts and the stock tansmission mount.I will have to check to make sure. but i think i have over a inch of the yolk sticking out of the tail shaft.how much are you soposed to have? i know stuff breaks but this is a frist for me.yes i would like to find one out of a van or a truck. i have heard they are stronger.I have another tail shaft i am going to put on it.for no so at least i can move it off the shop floor if i need to and have to wash all the trans fluid off the bottom of the car.i might just find another trans to build up and use this one for spare parts. or if you guys think i will be ok to just put a new tail shaft on this one and try it again?thanks Mopar65




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