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Are my numbers wrong? Did they only make 16k '69 GTX's #1053065
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Anyone have the number of '69 GTX's they made and how many 4-speeds? The white books says about 15,600 or so total and about 4000 4-speeds. I really thought it was more like 25k+ '69 GTX's? What am I missing????


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Re: Are my numbers wrong? Did they only make 16k '69 GTX's [Re: A12] #1053067
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Mike, I got these numbers from Chrysler Historical in 1986:
9,862 440 automatic hardtops, 362 automatic converts
4,004 440 4 speed hardtops, 178 4 speed converts
14,406 Total
The numbers on the Hemi cars were mixed up. It looks like 98 426 automatics, (I think 98 but not clear?) 4 speeds with 6 automatic converts and 5 4 speed converts
On a side note, they reported (15) 440 RoadRunner automatic converts!!, no 4 speeds and no A12 converts. This was in their writing on a spread sheet I mailed to them asking for production figures on RR's and GTX's from 67-71

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Mike, that's right. Consider there were about 1/2 that many 70 GTX's.


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Mike, that's right. Consider there were about 1/2 that many 70 GTX's.




And about 1/2 as many Coronet R/Ts as GTX's were made.


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Mike, that's right. Consider there were about 1/2 that many 70 GTX's.




And about 1/2 as many Coronet R/Ts as GTX's were made.




Yep; 16,000 is LOTS compared to some models. Consider;

- 14,139 '70 Super Bees
- 6,874 '69 Coronet R/T's
- 2,391 '70 coronet R/T's

...they made over 6 times the number of '69 GTX's as they did '70 Coronet R/T's....



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Re: Are my numbers wrong? Did they only make 16k '69 GTX's [Re: DPelletier] #1053071
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Mike, that's right. Consider there were about 1/2 that many 70 GTX's.




And about 1/2 as many Coronet R/Ts as GTX's were made.




Yep; 16,000 is LOTS compared to some models. Consider;

- 14,139 '70 Super Bees
- 6,874 '69 Coronet R/T's
- 2,391 '70 coronet R/T's

...they made over 6 times the number of '69 GTX's as they did '70 Coronet R/T's....



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You really cant compare the different years, all 70s have lower production than 69


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Mike, that's right. Consider there were about 1/2 that many 70 GTX's.




And about 1/2 as many Coronet R/Ts as GTX's were made.




Yep; 16,000 is LOTS compared to some models. Consider;

- 14,139 '70 Super Bees
- 6,874 '69 Coronet R/T's
- 2,391 '70 coronet R/T's

...they made over 6 times the number of '69 GTX's as they did '70 Coronet R/T's....



Dave




You really cant compare the different years, all 70s have lower production than 69




Not when it comes to HEMI cars

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On a side note, they reported (15) 440 RoadRunner automatic converts!!, no 4 speeds




Yeah, that's a mistake.

On another note, I see a lot of numbers here. Some are being posed as total production but I'm guessing they're just cars destined for the US, while breakdowns by engines most likely are US-spec numbers and don't reflect total numbers.

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Mike, that's right. Consider there were about 1/2 that many 70 GTX's.




And about 1/2 as many Coronet R/Ts as GTX's were made.




Yep; 16,000 is LOTS compared to some models. Consider;

- 14,139 '70 Super Bees
- 6,874 '69 Coronet R/T's
- 2,391 '70 coronet R/T's

...they made over 6 times the number of '69 GTX's as they did '70 Coronet R/T's....



Dave




You really cant compare the different years, all 70s have lower production than 69




Not when it comes to HEMI cars




They didnt have Cudas and Challengers in 69. More models offered in 70. Plus the Superbird production was 4 times the Daytona.


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They didnt have Cudas in 69.




....but I still know what you meant:



1969 saw the first appearance of the 'Cuda designation for a performance Barracuda package. A limited number of 440 Darts and Barracudas were produced. Car Life tested the 'Cuda 440 at 0-60 in 5.6 sec, and 14.0 @ 103 in the quarter mile. They were disappointed. It seemed that they just couldn't get the car to hook up. It kept spinning the tires. (Car Life, June/69). Another period road test, reprinted in Musclecar magazine, backs up the 14-flat quarters, but they also tried it with ten-inch slicks, and ran low 12s. Modern street tires are better than those slicks ...

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You really cant compare the different years, all 70s have lower production than 69




Sure I can; I just did!


My point is/was twofold;
- 1) I was agreeing that R/T's are FAR more rare than GTX's
- 2) I was pointing out that 16,000 production isn't all that low in the Mopar world - hence the '70 numbers mentioned.


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Mike, that's right. Consider there were about 1/2 that many 70 GTX's.




And about 1/2 as many Coronet R/Ts as GTX's were made.




Yep; 16,000 is LOTS compared to some models. Consider;

- 14,139 '70 Super Bees
- 6,874 '69 Coronet R/T's
- 2,391 '70 coronet R/T's

...they made over 6 times the number of '69 GTX's as they did '70 Coronet R/T's....



Dave




You really cant compare the different years, all 70s have lower production than 69




Not when it comes to HEMI cars




They didnt have Cudas and Challengers in 69. More models offered in 70. Plus the Superbird production was 4 times the Daytona.




So what you meant to say was all B body production went down, except for wing cars.

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http://www.plymouthgtx.net/information/



The "Encyclopedia of American Cars" has the same numbers 14,902 Hardtops and 700 Convertibles.

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So what you meant to say was all B body production went down, except for wing cars.




However, for every Superbird built there was one less Road Runner built!

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However, for every Superbird built there was one less Road Runner built!




A Superbird is nothing more than a RR with an option package. Superbirds are not a different model. They have RR vins so there was not a net loss of RRs for every Superbird built.


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I have always wondered why there were about twice as many GTX's made then R/Ts, about the same price I think and same drive trains.

I like both, only thing that makes sense is that people liked the looks of the Plymouth more. only reason I can come up with.

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I believe the Charger stole some of the thunder of the R/T.

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Its odd they made 16K 69 gtx's, and 44K 68 RR and at shows around here there is usually 3 or 4 69 gtx's for every 68rr and maybe 6 69rr to every 68. if that makes sense..

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Its odd they made 16K 69 gtx's, and 44K 68 RR and at shows around here there is usually 3 or 4 69 gtx's for every 68rr and maybe 6 69rr to every 68. if that makes sense..




I have a feeling that people who bought RR's beat the crap out of them and people who bought GTX's were much more responsible drivers. I am sure that accounts for alot of it.

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We also don't know if all of those 'GTX's' were born as a GTX or something else.


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We also don't know if all of those 'GTX's' were born as a GTX or something else.




That's true, but it seems like most people who go the clone route make them Roadrunners. At least the moron that bought my dad's 68 Sport Satellite did All it needed was a few emblems and a rumpy exhaust to be a GTX clone and he went the Roadrunner route. It seems most people who aren't real mopar people have no idea what a GTX is.
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We also don't know if all of those 'GTX's' were born as a GTX or something else.




That's true, but it seems like most people who go the clone route make them Roadrunners. At least the moron that bought my dad's 68 Sport Satellite did All it needed was a few emblems and a rumpy exhaust to be a GTX clone and he went the Roadrunner route. It seems most people who aren't real mopar people have no idea what a GTX is.
Travis..


Yep the road runner is popular with the kids even today!! GTX ??? do you mean GTO !!!

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That's true, but it seems like most people who go the clone route make them Roadrunners. At least the moron that bought my dad's 68 Sport Satellite did All it needed was a few emblems and a rumpy exhaust to be a GTX clone and he went the Roadrunner route. It seems most people who aren't real mopar people have no idea what a GTX is.
Travis..



It would it would take a little more than a "few emblems and a rumby exhaust" to clone a GTX from a Sport Satellite, like an "engine change"!

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That's true, but it seems like most people who go the clone route make them Roadrunners. At least the moron that bought my dad's 68 Sport Satellite did All it needed was a few emblems and a rumpy exhaust to be a GTX clone and he went the Roadrunner route. It seems most people who aren't real mopar people have no idea what a GTX is.
Travis..



It would it would take a little more than a "few emblems and a rumby exhaust" to clone a GTX from a Sport Satellite, like an "engine change"!




To me that goes without saying. If I keep my 68 sport satellite, it will get a 440, but not the gtx emblems.


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