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Need suggestions for engine build #1052936
08/14/11 05:28 PM
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Hi Folks:
I have a 63 dodge 330 that is currently a hemi that is throttled to low tens@133.
This winter I am going to put a wedge back in it.
The goal is a car that will do lap after lap without having to think about it, and do it on pump gas.
I have most of the parts for the short block.
440 block 2 Bolt mains .030 over
6.86 h-beam eagles
4.15 Mopar crank
milodon oiling
The car
Dana with 4.56 and mark williams spool and axles.
727 with a griner valve body
4500 Dynamic stall converter
also has a large aluminum radiator
The above are not going to change.
So, I need help choosing the rest.

Remember -- Lap after Lap after Lap and pump gas is the goal.

I'm not familiar with the different heads that are currently available
for the wedge -- I would prefer aluminum.
compression ratio? for aluminum heads and pump gas?
Cam? I have a good set of comp cams rollers leftover from a previous hemi build but I might even try hydraulic.
intake ?
Carb?

Thanks
Tom

Re: Need suggestions for engine build [Re: 63Hemi] #1052937
08/14/11 05:49 PM
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Well I can tell you what I run in my 63 Sport Fury street car that is a pump gas 493. It is a 440 block with a 440Source 4.15 crank stroker kit. I used the Indy EZ aluminum heads heads and built it with 10.6 comp and good quench. I also use the Indy dual plane intake and both the heads and intake are max wedge ports as I had Dwayne Porter do the heads. The cam is also a Dwayne Porter speced cam. It is a solid flat tappet at .630 and .634 lift with 1.6 rockers and is .264 and .270 at .050 with a 110 LSA that I installed at 106. I like the Indy EZ heads as the exh ports are stock location so I use the TTI 2" chassis headers and their 3" exh system. The car weighs 3700 with me and I use a 727 with a TA valve body and a 9.5 Dynamic converter. 4.30's out back and I use 30 x 9 tires. Car ran 11.49 with a mild 440 and 906 heads. Have not run it with this new eng yet and all I can tell you is I know its faster then 11.40's. I am looking for at least high 10's and I drive it all the time. Ron



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Re: Need suggestions for engine build [Re: 383man] #1052938
08/14/11 05:54 PM
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Why are you not using the hemi??


HEMI-ITIS has no cure.
My condition is fully BLOWN!!
Re: Need suggestions for engine build [Re: 383man] #1052939
08/14/11 06:01 PM
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Hi 383man(493man) :-)
My car weighs about the same. It ran 11.20's with the 440 with 352 heads and a mopar 590 cam.
What intake and carb did you choose?
Thanks
Tom

Re: Need suggestions for engine build [Re: hemi-itis] #1052940
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It is going to be looking for a new home.
Fed or Altered ---- Hope that I can afford the Hilborn's
Tom

Re: Need suggestions for engine build [Re: 63Hemi] #1052941
08/14/11 07:07 PM
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Quote:

Hi 383man(493man) :-)
My car weighs about the same. It ran 11.20's with the 440 with 352 heads and a mopar 590 cam.
What intake and carb did you choose?
Thanks
Tom




On my old 906 headed 440 that dipped in the 11.40's I had the MP .557 cam and used the Holley Street Dominator intake with an 850 DP. Ron

Re: Need suggestions for engine build [Re: 63Hemi] #1052942
08/14/11 09:13 PM
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I have a pump gas street Duster with a 518 C.I. low deck(400 block) stroker that runs in the low tens, it curently has a set of Indy SR heads with Max Wedge ports, T&D single shaft 1.65 ratio rocker assembly and the Indy 400-2 intake using a Holley 4781-7 850 D.P. The cam is a Comp Cams custom grind(not ground for this motor )soild roller with 260 @.050 on the intake and 266 @ .050 on the exhaust, right at .700 net lift at the tool steel retainers I did use a set of Comp Cams endurance roller springs on these this time The headers are a set of Hedmans for the Indy heads in a A body, two inch primarys and 3.5 collectors, three inch exhaust to the rear bumper through a set of Magnaflow 3x14 oval muffs mounted at the rear bumper. The car weighs 3450 lbs with me in it full of pump gas, stock 14 gallon tank, the rear suspension is a ladder bar with coil overs and M/T ET Street bias or ET Sreet Radials, DOT legal street tires. The motor has right at 10.8 to 1 comp. ratio with theses heads, 76.0 CC I have changed intakes and carbs to a bigger one and the car pickup a bunch, but my car is not legal to run in the nines so I'm putting the old intake and carb back on it and I'll finish tuning that carb., it is way to fat with stock jetting according to my wide ban, it is in the low 11.3 AFR readings at WOT Lots of ways to make power, have fun


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Re: Need suggestions for engine build [Re: Cab_Burge] #1052943
08/16/11 06:24 PM
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Hi Cab:
How many runs would you put on this engine before teardown?
Thanks
Tom

Re: Need suggestions for engine build [Re: 63Hemi] #1052944
08/16/11 06:58 PM
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i don't think you will have to try too hard to make good reliable power.your gearing may be a little high leading to a too many rpm and hence some reduction in reliability and life span.
i built my motor in april 2008replaced the iron heads about 6 months later,pocket ported stealth
this is a stock stroke 440+0.055, 10.8 comp,purple 509 cam,dynamic 9 1/2 into a dana with 4.1 gears now,had 3.9
plenty of runs all i do is change the oil and occasionally the plugs
i drive this car every day to work even done a couple of interstate runs to race,650mile each way.aluminium radiator,clutch fan and 12" electric pusher fan never sees over 200
at about 3764,68 Satellite, with me in it has run 11.18's at 118.95/119.00.this is shifted at 6000 traps at 6300.ran 11.30's with the 3.9 gear into the high 117 low 118mph
i am now looking to fit a solid cam to run 11 flat,as that is my bracket and safety cut off.
good luck,
Tex

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New best ET 10.259@129.65 .
New best MPH 130.32
Finally fitted a solid cam,
stepped it up a bit more
3690lbs through the mufflers
New World block 3780lbs 10.278@130.80 . Wowser 10.253@130.24 footbraking from 1500rpm
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Re: Need suggestions for engine build [Re: 63Hemi] #1052945
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Re: Need suggestions for engine build [Re: AndyF] #1052946
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Andys book is excellent, a great go to guide.


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Re: Need suggestions for engine build [Re: 63Hemi] #1052947
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Quote:

Hi Cab:
How many runs would you put on this engine before teardown?
Thanks
Tom


Based on past expereinces with breaking two Mopar brand roller lifter wheels (I use Crowers now in less than 100 runs and 45 or so street miles I would take a look at the lifters at 100 runs. I do use a leak down meter to monitor the rest of the engine as well as cutting the oil filter apart and looking very closely at all parts of the filter element This is a limited street and strip car, central Oregon is to cold to drive a car like mine from mid to late October(first snow) to mid to late March, they use all kinds of stuff on the roads here for the ice and snow As far as total runs until teardown probally 200 to 400, depnding on how the motor does, I rev this one higher than any other ones I raced in the past This motor is pretty much new territory for me, it is the first street and strip stroker motor that I built for me and the first pump gas motor that made over 600 hp and then the first pump gas motor to make over 700 HP, just by changing the heads, a little stroke(.050 more ) and revving it up a little higher The lobes of the cam and the valve spring pressures have a lot to do with how long parts live, like lifters, valve job, pushrod tips, roller rockers and so on. Stouter is way better than weaker when it comes to valve spring pressures on solid roller cams


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Re: Need suggestions for engine build [Re: 63Hemi] #1052948
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What is your ET goal and the budget ...gotta have
some plan in mind first

Re: Need suggestions for engine build [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1052949
08/27/11 02:08 PM
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Hi Mike:
Speed goal -- As fast as I can go, as long as the engine will go more than 250 runs with only minimal maintenance. ie: oil change and valve adjust.
Budget -- About 5 grand for pistons, cam, complete heads, rebalance crank.
Will need headers if the heads are not standard exhaust
Already have carbs
Thanks
Tom







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