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New FBO Ignition System (non ballast) #1042666
07/29/11 01:12 PM
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Has anyone used the new FBO HR688 ignition system yet?
http://4secondsflat.com/Ignition.html

I was following FBO when they were developing their new non-ballast coil and when I decided to scrap my ballast, this new coil was not out yet so I bought a Mallory non-ballast coil instead. I have been running this Mallory coil since the Fall and I have been using my existing FBO A688 ECU module and it appears that this module was not designed for the non-ballast system. The existing ECU has been running fine but now I am wondering if it will burn up if I keep running it without a ballast, so I am checking to see if anyone has had any run time with this new unit.

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Re: New FBO Ignition System (non ballast) [Re: YO7_A66] #1042667
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seems pricy, i would go with a true multi spark
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MSD-6201/

Re: New FBO Ignition System (non ballast) [Re: ademon] #1042668
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I want to use my existing ECU/coil as a backup and this direct replacement would make it easier to replace parts if I am on the road.

Thanks for the suggestion.


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Re: New FBO Ignition System (non ballast) [Re: YO7_A66] #1042669
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I have the original FBO setup on my Jensen, it's absolutely awesome so far.
I went to buy another from Don but they aren't on his website anymore, just the new ballast-free setups....
If I can't buy the original I *might* try his new system.

Don.... WHERE ARE YOUUUUU?!?!?!


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Re: New FBO Ignition System (non ballast) [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #1042670
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Don has been very helpful thru email getting my questions answered. My existing FBO ECU was one of the early units and mine has worked excellent, so this is why I am considering the new unit.
Any members running this new system?

Thanks


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340 (Currently in shop for stroker assy.)
Re: New FBO Ignition System (non ballast) [Re: YO7_A66] #1042671
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Quote:

Don has been very helpful thru email getting my questions answered. My existing FBO ECU was one of the early units and mine has worked excellent, so this is why I am considering the new unit.
Any members running this new system?

Thanks




I'm building a street/strip Charger, I would probably PREFER the old system if he still has some, but I would consider a new setup if needed. I trust Don's stuff!

I want to know if anybody has used the new setup too, this thread could be interesting...


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Re: New FBO Ignition System (non ballast) [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #1042672
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Re: New FBO Ignition System (non ballast) [Re: NachoRT74] #1042673
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Well, I have the "old" ballast system on my car and the ignition box just gave out after using it for only about 3 thousand miles. So it seems despite all the advertising hype this box was no better than the always failing orange boxes. What gives? Now there is a new better system out...does that mean I can't get a replacement of the "old" part? I haven't called yet, but I went to Autozone where I was stranded and got a cheap replacement and the car started right up and runs fine.

Re: New FBO Ignition System (non ballast) [Re: 469runner] #1042674
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I was running a pertronix with the matching coil and no ballast. I just switched over to a Mopar electronic distributor and am running Accel's 300+ universal with rev control and matching coil. No ballast on this set-up either. I welded up and filed the advance slots to shorten up the mechanical advance, so I can run more initial. The car loves this set-up.

I believe Accel is the unit mentioned by FBO when you want to run multi-strike. I've run them before with no reliability issues. It packs alot of ignition power, is inexpensive and easy to install.

I keep a points dizzy and stock coil in the car for insurance.


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1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
Re: New FBO Ignition System (non ballast) [Re: NachoRT74] #1042675
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I'm thinking on get one soon and still keep the ballast look, removing the resistor from the ceramic piece and installing a jumper ( wire or metallic piece ) inside the ceramic. Won't require any splice in that way and still keep the double ballast piece ( or single ) stock look


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Re: New FBO Ignition System (non ballast) [Re: NachoRT74] #1042676
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I'm thinking on get one soon and still keep the ballast look, removing the resistor from the ceramic piece and installing a jumper ( wire or metallic piece ) inside the ceramic. Won't require any splice in that way and still keep the double ballast piece ( or single ) stock look




Hard to see from the pics I have seen, does the new box physically attach to the wiring harness? Looks like four pins sticking out, but I don't see a "shoulder" or a place to toss the center attaching screw to, not sure if it's just the pics, my eyesight, or....?


I will probably end up with a new setup too...


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Re: New FBO Ignition System (non ballast) [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #1042677
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I see exactly same pins disposition and even the center screw provision on pics, just that they are not enclosured inside a "wall" like the stock ECU, but won't be noticeable with original rubber plug once mounted, since rubber plug covers everything


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Re: New FBO Ignition System (non ballast) [Re: NachoRT74] #1042678
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After having many discussions about this new ignition system with Don, I decided to buy the ECU and 12 volt coil. Since I am currently running his distributor and his old ECU, this should be a direct bolt in deal. I am still a little worried about the mismatch of ignition parts that I currently have so I opted for the new 12v non ballast parts.

Reference: This new unit puts out 24KV during "start" which should be very solid during hot restarts. The orange box only puts out 14-16KV during a start and Don said that this is a major factor in hot restart issues (non carb related). Even though I have not had any hot restart problems, my existing FBO unit still puts out 20-22KV, so the new unit will be a little bit stronger and it is designed for the 12v application.


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Re: New FBO Ignition System (non ballast) [Re: YO7_A66] #1042679
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I purchased the whole setup from Don and never could get it to work. After a bunch of headache i gave up put on pertronix unit and eliminated box,wiring, ect., just to find out that the coil from fbo was the problem the whole time.
Box is good!
I think i will just keep the pertronix now that it is installed and running strong.
If anyone wants to buy the setup off me i will be willing to take offers

Re: New FBO Ignition System (non ballast) [Re: bbach] #1042680
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I was not 100% comfortable with the way that the distributor was going to be setup, so I just bought the ECU/coil and I am running them with my existing FBO distributor. So far the combo runs good.
The only problem is that all of my A/F tuning that I have done this Summer has changed a little since all of my numbers are now lean after the new ECU/coil swap. But I think that I am back on track now after a few more carb tweaks.

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