Re: subframe connectors
[Re: 68Bullit]
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07/28/11 08:00 AM
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I used some old Direct Connection frame connectors on my 71. They are regtangular, like 1 1/2" X 2.00" or so. Very easy to put in with no floor cutting. They made a huge difference and are plenty stiff. You don't need 2 X 3" tubing, even 2 X 2" is overkill for a street car. IMO. Yes you can make your own very easy. Daytona turbo, please make your picture smaller so we don't have to scroll back and forth.
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Re: subframe connectors
[Re: MonGoo$e]
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07/28/11 09:25 AM
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much to the chagrin of everyone here i got the MagnumForce double tube style ones. Bolt on each end and to the floors.
getting the same ones for my charger. Figued it was asmall block car, but didn't want to cut up a clean floor. Great thing is you can bolt it in or weld, makes it pretty easy decision for the builder to decide.
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Re: subframe connectors
[Re: dIc dOc Deity !]
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07/28/11 09:45 AM
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FULLY insert into the front and rear OEM stubs and cut into and through the floor and weld everywhere ..
OR don't bother....
Maybe for a race car,for a street car? Come on!! I did mine much like Challenger1. Used 1 1/2x 2 1/2 slid over the rear stub and welded front and rear. Never touched the floor pan. Made an entirely new car!!! Easiest and cheapest($40.00) mod I've done!
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Re: subframe connectors
[Re: dIc dOc Deity !]
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07/28/11 09:53 AM
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You will find ALL SORTS of flex just doing it that way...
LIFT UP one corner .... and see for yourself...
BS How would you know??
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Re: subframe connectors
[Re: dIc dOc Deity !]
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07/28/11 10:06 AM
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Hey DUMBbell ... try-it yourself.
You need to UPgrade your knowledge ...
I have done it myself, more than once. Like I said there is a huge difference between my cars that I do drive all the time. One has connectors and one doesn't. I can tell by driving them and jacking them up.
How many have you installed and driven???
I did the 3X2 through the floor on a 71 back in the early 80s, it was no better than the 71 I have now in the pictures above. It's a waste unless your gonna do roll bars for the track.
What have you done??
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Re: subframe connectors
[Re: dIc dOc Deity !]
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07/28/11 10:07 AM
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You will find ALL SORTS of flex just doing it that way...
LIFT UP one corner .... and see for yourself...
I have many times! My simple cheap little connectors took care of 90% at least. Read the OP,he's looking for something simple.....Challenger1 and I gave him some options, you told him don't bother unless you hack the floor up
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Re: subframe connectors
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07/28/11 10:11 AM
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I did the 3X2 through the floor on a 71 back in the early 80s, it was no better than the 71 I have now in the pictures above. It's a waste unless your gonna do roll bars for the track.
What have you done??
This statement is simply WRONG. Any chassis guy will tell you that. The pic that DT posted above is the CORRECT way of doing-it.
And other than that NON-competitive dragster you had ....I have done more work on cars in my life than you will ever THINK of doing.
WHY do you continue to step-in-it and have to eat your own words ?
U R nothing but a look-at-me SAD Sack
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Re: subframe connectors
[Re: 68Bullit]
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07/28/11 10:17 AM
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I know some connectors are pretty detailed with the custom fitting ridges, etc, but I'm just looking for some bolt-on or weld on straight square connectors. Anybody sell these fairly inexpensively?
Also, has anyone made their own????
Doc,what part of this question don't you get????
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Re: subframe connectors
[Re: Dcuda69]
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07/28/11 10:20 AM
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I know some connectors are pretty detailed with the custom fitting ridges, etc, but I'm just looking for some bolt-on or weld on straight square connectors. Anybody sell these fairly inexpensively?
Also, has anyone made their own????
Doc,what part of this question don't you get????
Dc .. it was taken in a diff direction ... other people commented and I offered my
That's all .... and then DUMBbell came after me...AGAIN. And AGAIN showed his clownery.
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Re: subframe connectors
[Re: Challenger 1]
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07/28/11 01:46 PM
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You will find ALL SORTS of flex just doing it that way...
LIFT UP one corner .... and see for yourself...
BS How would you know??
I did my connectors the same way, night and day difference. If I place a jack under the diff on one side it attempts to lift the whole side of the car. I would say they are very helpful.
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Re: subframe connectors
[Re: 68Bullit]
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07/28/11 01:48 PM
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I know some connectors are pretty detailed with the custom fitting ridges, etc, but I'm just looking for some bolt-on or weld on straight square connectors. Anybody sell these fairly inexpensively?
Also, has anyone made their own????
I made my own for around 36 bucks in material. A little cut here and a weld there, and I'm good to go.
Follow the link Joe provided, that's how I did mine, works well.
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Re: subframe connectors
[Re: dIc dOc Deity !]
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07/28/11 02:52 PM
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Hay AR ... the "cork" was in-it .... then came the ... ......
No, you are just an irritating aspect of Moparts at this point.
Your input means nothing and your on again-off again CAPS LOCK malfunction is getting OLD.
Let 'er rip...
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Re: subframe connectors
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07/28/11 03:18 PM
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No, you are just an irritating aspect of Moparts at this point.
Let 'er rip...
....you don't like it ? ...change-the-channel(don't read it - what-the-hell - if you find it that offensive USE the ignore feature).
That is what most people that have over a room-temperature IQ do.
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Re: subframe connectors
[Re: MonGoo$e]
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07/28/11 10:31 PM
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much to the chagrin of everyone here i got the MagnumForce double tube style ones. Bolt on each end and to the floors.
I just finished looking at the Magnum Force website and this is what I think I'll go with. Do you notice a difference? And can you tell when you lift one corner of the car up?
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Re: subframe connectors
[Re: dIc dOc Deity !]
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07/28/11 11:27 PM
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That is what most people that have over a room-temperature IQ do.
You haven't been important enough to take the time to ignore... I guess now that you're on my ignore list you've moved up a rung! Congrats.
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Re: subframe connectors
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07/29/11 12:28 AM
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Made my own on my '73 charger, used 1x3 rectangle tube. Welded from where frame horn for rear meets the cross frame (?) on the chassis to where the front frames meet the torsion bar cross member. My crappy former 18 year old selfs welding skills weren't very good but they made an IMMEDIATE difference. They are not straight, or should say parallel, with the rockers because the frame rail come in at different places but I thought it would make more sense to put a direct link between those frame pieces.
Cost me little to nothing and they DONT hang down at all! you have to look up from the pinch point of the rockers to see them.
Make your own, quick, easy, and cheap. You don't have to cut up the floors like everyone tries to convince you. Its not a roll cage.
1973 Charger, former SE, former auto
I'm not trying to be difficult, it comes naturally....
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Re: subframe connectors
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07/29/11 03:06 AM
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That is what most people that have over a room-temperature IQ do.
You haven't been important enough to take the time to ignore... I guess now that you're on my ignore list you've moved up a rung! Congrats.
Now ME ignore YOU ? ...never happen. It still amazes me how someone WHO SAYS they are going to dental school ...can be so brain-dead.
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Re: subframe connectors
[Re: johnscudashop]
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07/30/11 06:28 PM
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depending on what class your in for scca rules only allow bolt-in connectors - not welded in. Thats only if your running in autox...and if you care..
Last edited by dangina; 07/30/11 06:29 PM.
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Re: subframe connectors
[Re: dangina]
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07/30/11 09:02 PM
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SCCA allows weld in in all classes. But it can only be welded fore and aft. It is allowed to touch the floor pan. This applies to stock, street prepared and street mod classes. If you're playing in prepared, get a roll cage and gut the car...
IIRC there's been a recent rule change that allows a third (mid) point allowed to the subframe connector. I think this was about fox body 'stangs had an interferance issue with their seat so basically now the seat bolts to the SFC...
The quick way to install SFCs is to buy bolt ins and just weld them in. I went with autorust technicians 2x2 weld in kit and I had to slit the floors to allow them to pop through (at most 1/8", can't see underneath the carpet). Took me a one Saturday.
1971 Challenger
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Re: subframe connectors
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07/31/11 08:10 AM
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These older cars are so flexible that almost any added structure is a noticeable improvement in rigidity.
Years ago my Dart (slant six converted to 340 with a stick) use to flex around so bad from the daily pounding that the floor pan was cracking around the transmission tunnel!
Picked up a set of bars at a swap meet and welded them in place front and rear and the difference was night and day. Had problems getting the car to hook up after that because the body was no longer absorbing the "blow" when letting the clutch fly.
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