Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Randy,It's your car,but I wouldn't cut that GTX at all.Our 70 Road Runner used a 10" wheel with a 5" offset,and we had 10.5x29.5 Firestone(Phoenix) in that car with a bit of trimmimg of the front edge of the wheelwell.Lips were trimmed too.I don't think you'll gain a whole lot by going to a larger tire that you have in mind.In fact,on my A-body,I'm going smaller after I have the car painted.From 31.8 to a 29.5 tall tire.
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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07/21/11 06:29 PM
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This isn't necessarily a direct answer to your question, but it is more of an response that may have you looking at other areas of your car. What are the particular specs of your suspension package. - Front and rear. Do you run Cal-Tracs and Monoleafs? For a good example of hooking a 540 stroker B-body using a small tire, look at ActionAnge. He hooks his 3750lb 1967 Belvedere to the tune of 10.27 @ 132 with a 1.44 60ft, using a 9x28 slick on an 8" wheel.
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Why do you need bigger tires? Just want the look? Many NHRA stockers and Super Stockers go into the 9's on 9 inch tires.
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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I have a 67 b body with a stock width 8 3/4 and run a 28x14.50 quick time pro on a 12" wheel with 6 1/2" of backspace. If I went to a 7 1/2" back space I could go with a wider tire, There is alot of room behind the tire to the spring due to the stock width rear end. Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Brent...that's one impressive Belvedere AA has! I see he uses Cal-Tracs out back. Do you know what else he's done to the suspension to make it hook so well? My 3500 lb. GTX has NO front sway bar,.840 Race T-Bars...and Calvert Racing 90/10's..which work GREAT! Out back are 002-003 A-Body Super Stock springs,as used on the '68' Hemi Darts and Barracudas. The shocks are Rancho 9000 9-way adjustables. Rear gear is a 8 3/4..4:56 ratio. I believe the pinion angle is 5* angled down. Thanks for the info! Randy B.
Ok here's my easy to use setup. QA-1's in front and rear, .840 t bars and Caltrac mono's in rear. Get 5-7 inches front end travel. You can adjust as you go on any given day or track. My air pressure is always between 18 and 19 lbs. Don't want to crush the sidewall and lose contact patch. Caltracs in bottom hole- less violent- with 2 "flats" preload on pass side. Drv side has space the thickness of a nickel between spring and lever. This is with driver in car. I don't leave at high RPM- no need with all the torque. Use a built for my combo converter from Lenny at Ultimate Converter Concepts. Made specifically for my setup not a cookie cutter by an order taker tech clerk at other companies. Other reasons to use a smaller tire: cost less, less drag once you're in high gear. Best reason- it freaks people out wondering how you can go so fast on them... Thanks to topbrent for using my car as an example
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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The bolt on inboard spring hangers won't even bolt on!
The front hangers are already right next to the frame rail on your/our car. There isn't anywhere to go, no wasted space to use up.
The bolt ons work much better on an A body, but you still have to punch a hole in the frame to clear the fasteners with those.
The weld-on spring relocation kit, which is the only mp setup that will do much of anything on your/our car(s) requires chopping a chunk out of the frame rail to weld in the mounting boxes. Then after the spring is relocated, the next obstacle is the wheelhouses....
If you only relocate the springs and don't relocate the inner tubs, you're only going to gain about 1" of tire even though you moved the spring 3", which is not a very good payback for the effort.,,,,but it could be done that way if a guy wanted?
Since the quarters and various other sheetmetal needs to be cut off mine anyway, being rusty junk....and the frame rail is already cut for the subframe connectors, I'll probably go the extra mile with it when it's time to replace the quarters. It would be kind of a shame to cut yours, but I wouldn't blame you if you did!
I also like the look....big car, big tire...why not
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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I think cutting the frame is not so bad if it's done well, as it's not easily seen but i wouldn't cut the body on your car for bigger tyres. Mick
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Drv side has space the thickness of a nickel between spring and lever.
would the bigger gap help with a harder hit ? I have just a slight "air gap" on mine on the driver side,,might open it up some if you have found good results..??
Doug
Opening the gap would definitely cause a harder hit. The thickness of a nickel is very small and allow the bar to work in a non violent way. Soften the shock setting allows the tire to work without spinning. Just trying to not over power the hot,greasy, sun drenched starting line this time of year...
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Randy, Looking at your youtube videos, imo, it looks like the car is porpoising ie., rocking front to back after the initial hit, unloading the slicks. - You can hear the engine loading differently as it bounces around. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_TSf9u0o3cHave you ever checked to see how much travel are you getting out of your front end before it tops out? Super Stock springs + 30" slicks can make for a pretty tall rear end of the car. I have read comments from mr p-body and others that explain that this kind of raked stance & rear height yield a tall center of gravity. This higher CG makes it more difficult to get the car to rapidly transfer the weight to the rear. In essence, the energy is wasted instead of being utilized. Swapping over to some stock ride height or - 1" Calvert Monoleafs + caltracs would lower the rear substantially. Lowering the CG would aid in getting the weight and energy transferred rapidly and firmly planting the tires. Ever considered lowering blocks or different front hangers for your existing SS setup?
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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One thing that I SHOULD have tried for my lousy 1.60 60' times,was softening up the shocks! They were set @ #9 position..or as stiff as you can set them! Probably should have tried #7..or even #5,since the starting line wasn't so good! Too busy fooling with carbs..and jet changes, in the blasted heat!
Randy, I would start with working on what you have now and see if its optimized(which I doubt)... everytime we/you go to the track you play with the engine... I dont know if you have ever spent a day tuning the chassis... like I told you before, you need to lower the back end some BUT if I remember right you cant because the tires crash... well we need to look at getting the tires to clear(move them inboard some) and this might be where the ladder bars come into play... its been a while since I've looked under there to see whats what.... maybe you should bring the X over and we spend some time eyeballing under it ... I do remember your shackles are out of wack(angle)
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Dont matter to me... I'm here all the time(I'm boring) just give me a call before you swing by..... also when you have the tires off measure the total clearance you have in the wheel well
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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another it rides a little high for most guys taste but i like that old skool look.i have cal traks.
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Al...your X sits MUCH higher than mine! I think mine is pretty even..front to back! What size are your street tires? I run a 295/65-15 on a 8" wheel..4.5" back-spacing. Thanks for the pics!...NICE! F-8..or F-5 Green?
Randy when you are doing some measurements take a reading from the axle flange(drum) to the back for clearance to see what BS you can get away with
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Re: RE-LOCATION KIT TO LADDER BAR SET-UP???
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On my 68 GTX I ran 15 x 10 with 4.5 back spacing and 28.5 X 10.5's with no problems. then 29.5 X 10.5 was still ok but when i went 11.50 X 29.5 (30.5 high) I had to cut fold over the flange lips now a 5 backspace maybe would not have to?? And that was without relocating the springs!
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Al...your X sits MUCH higher than mine! I think mine is pretty even..front to back! What size are your street tires? I run a 295/65-15 on a 8" wheel..4.5" back-spacing. Thanks for the pics!...NICE! F-8..or F-5 Green?
ill take some measurements for ya.F-7
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Randy,
Looking at your youtube videos, imo, it looks like the car is porpoising ie., rocking front to back after the initial hit, unloading the slicks. - You can hear the engine loading differently as it bounces around.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_TSf9u0o3c
Brent...My bad! My memory needs a darn tune-up! I could have sworn I had the Rancho's set at #9!....they were actually set @ #5...maybe too soft,and reason for the porpusing! #5 is my street setting,by the way.
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Randy, mine has Caltracs & monos with 295/65 M/T DR's and it hooks good with 720ftlbs of tq Chip runs the same suspension & tires on his Cuda and 60fts in the 1.30's with his 572 Hemi Brad H also runs CalTracs and 295/65 M/T's and 60 fts in the 1.40's My vote is to not cut the car up, use a bolt on traction improver and use a 295 DR Ron Ps. On a side note ; i'm wondering if those a-body SS springs might be causing some type of problem ? Are the rear shakles facing forward with the chassis loaded ?
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Brad H also runs CalTracs and 295/65 M/T's and 60 fts in the 1.40's
I run the smaller 275/60R15s, CalTracs, std-height mono springs, older 5-way adjustable Rancho shocks, small-block t-bars, QA1-R front shocks, and the front set up for 5+" travel from static ride height. The car was pulling consistent 1.45-1.46 60-fts. the last couple of times the car was run in 2009, but hasn't been back to the track since then.
Also, I don't like the jacked-up look and my car sits fairly low & level as you can see here.
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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No snubber ever used with Caltrac monoleafs and bars. Get the rear end out of the air. Superstock springs have a tendency to ride high. I tried these when first putting the car together and quickly went to the Calracs. Car sits low and works great.
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Fellers...I think you're onto something! Mike(P-Body)made a note of the same exact thing! The rear shackles are in a "neautral" position when the chassis is loaded!...straight up and down. Maybe the total length of the A-Body spring is throwing the angle off whack! I know the shackle should be at a 30 degree angle forward,for best results! What is the fix? Drill new mounting holes for the shackles...or just get new SS springs?...if so,which weight-rated ones? Thanks Angelo,and Ron!...and Raff,for your help! BTW...Angelo,haven't run my pinion snubber in years. Are you running one on the Satellite???
I know the shackle should be at a 30 degree angle forward,for best results!it's been a while sense i'v run the ss spring but i thought that the rear shackle is supposed to be facein the rear at your loaded settings(if that makes any sense)
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Two places to check, 1st make sure you have enough front end travel 5 to 6 inches, you may have to lower the front end to achieve this. 2nd make sure your rear shocks arent to short, because if they are as the chassis rises it will take the rear end with it and unload the tire causing it to bounce, resulting in poor 60ft times. Plenty of guys are using the same parts that you are, I think you just have some tuning to do good luck
He has a couple of problems... the tire size he wants to run(on the street) is just clearing and he has the body up so they clear... being that the body is up it has less travel in the shocks(extension)... and the rear shackle angle is wrong.... looking under there today if he wanted to move the springs in-board it wount do a bit of good, he has about 5/8" clearance to the inner wheel well... the vid he showed earlier had his shock settings on 5 and it topped out the shocks
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Kerry...I may have misspoken! It might be 30 degrees,angled to the rear! I'll have to check my MP Chassis Manual! Meanwhile...can someone chime in? Thanks!
The top angles to the front
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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My vote for cal tracs.... and mono's and getting the correct rim,
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Thanks,guys! In actuality,the front spring mounting bolt is in the TOP hole! If I drop it down to the BOTTOM hole,will that lower the rear end ride heighth? I talked to Gary Jacob(Jake68)today,and he said that it's common with the B-Body cars with A-Body springs, to drill a new rear spring mount hole forward of the existing mounting hole...to correct the rear shackle angle! Please give me your opinions on this! THANKS! Randy B.
Listen to Gary, he's right on!
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Thanks,guys! In actuality,the front spring mounting bolt is in the TOP hole! If I drop it down to the BOTTOM hole,will that lower the rear end ride heighth? I talked to Gary Jacob(Jake68)today,and he said that it's common with the B-Body cars with A-Body springs, to drill a new rear spring mount hole forward of the existing mounting hole...to correct the rear shackle angle! Please give me your opinions on this! THANKS! Randy B.
I think we talked about the shackle angle the other day
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Raff...I mentioned that we did,about 10 posts previous to this one! I figured Gary has seen this before...and wanted to get his take on how they corrected it. Pretty much the same thing you said...drilling a hole aft of the existing mounting hole,and welding in a tube. Mike...have you ever heard of these springs from Dan Dvorak,that I mentioned in the previous post?
Heard of them... never seen one
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Just did some research on the Dvorek springs. Sounds like the guys using them REALLY like them at the track!...but tend to be pretty stiff for street driving! With Rancho 9-ways,I'm sure that could be remedied with a softer setting!
If they are real stiff then those Rancho's wont be strong enough... plus on the street they would still be stiff... you cant make a stiff spring soft with a shock
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Mike...if that's the case,I wouldn't use them. The ride quality with the current 002/003 springs and #5 setting on the Rancho's is pretty comfortable! I'll probably get the shackles moved forward...or buy another set of springs...made for a B-Body car. My question if I do end up buying another set of SS springs,is what weight-rated set? #3400...#3600??? The X weighs 3500 lbs. with 5 gal. of gas,ready to race...and 3720 with my slimmed-down rear in the seat! Thanks! Randy B.
Randy you would end up with the 3600 specially with your tire to fender issue
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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Randy I was under the impression, that B bodys used a longer front spring hanger when using A body springs. Instead of buying new springs, wouldn't it be cheaper to fabricate some fresh hangers to correct the angle. JMO Mick
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Randy I was under the impression, that B bodys used a longer front spring hanger when using A body springs. Instead of buying new springs, wouldn't it be cheaper to fabricate some fresh hangers to correct the angle. JMO Mick
He has the long hangers in the front BUT it seems like the rear segment is shorter also(from the locator pin the the rear eye) which moves the lower bolt on the shackle forward... by about a 1" to 1 1/2"... his tire is located in the center of the wheel well and that aspect looks good
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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07/26/11 10:45 AM
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The 3800# B/E body length SS springs have a longer rear segment than other SS springs. I ran them on my Charger (with extended front hanger, all SS springs have the same A-body length front segment and require them on B/E body cars) and I did not have to move the rear hanger. If you're running the original A-body style 002/003 SS springs on a B body, you need both the extended front hanger and relocation of the rear hanger. http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/superstock.html
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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07/26/11 11:02 AM
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Randy i would not spend a dime on new springs. you have a great spring already. I use the 02/03 springs on everything. You would not be happy with the 3400# SPRING OR THE 3600# they sit too low. I have had cars with the 02/03 springs 60 in the 1.27-1.44. Your bad 60's could be other things in your combo than the springs. Those launcher springs are more exspensive than caltracs with no adjustments. They work maybe a little better than a well tuned superstock spring set up. But if i was going to spend the money do caltracs. With that said you could have the best rear suspension parts back there and still not have great 60's if it has not been sorted out. Also you get what you get when you go to poor tracks that are not prepped good and the temps do not make for good 60's.
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
[Re: Labratt]
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07/26/11 11:20 AM
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I'd match Jake's suggestion, I wouldn't buy another set of springs- I had the 3800# springs on mine but it was a 4 speed car. Relocating the rear hanger should be almost free to try, I'd give that a shot first before attempting anything else. On the original topic I wouldn't cut your car up just for inboard springs either. It's too nice. If you're going to fire up the sawzall, at least go big and back-half it.
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
[Re: Blusmbl]
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07/26/11 01:14 PM
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Didn't realize you had 002/003s....never claimed I could read for the shackle angle to be correct, with the longer front hangers, either: -punch a hole in the stub-rail (not really the frame, because it sits outside the frame separate from it) further forward, weld in a tube the proper size for the bushings (relocate the shackle like Nick states). If you do this, you can put the shackle anywhere you want.... -Forget the shackles completely and convert to sliders...opinions differ on whether sliders are a good or bad upgrade with traditional SS springs, from what I've seen they can be helpful alot of times -swap in a longer main leaf -swap springs altogether...I probably wouldn't either.... Ladder bars and coilovers take alot less butchering than inboard springs....Drill out the spotwelds holding the shock crossmember in, weld in a much stronger one....weld in a ladder bar crossmember to the frame ties. No cutting the frame, and the mods are reversible (but who would want to?)
Rich H.
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
[Re: Blusmbl]
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07/26/11 04:10 PM
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The 3800# B/E body length SS springs have a longer rear segment than other SS springs. I ran them on my Charger (with extended front hanger, all SS springs have the same A-body length front segment and require them on B/E body cars) and I did not have to move the rear hanger. If you're running the original A-body style 002/003 SS springs on a B body, you need both the extended front hanger and relocation of the rear hanger.
http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/superstock.html
Thanks for the explanation Nick ....that's what i figured was going on.
Randy, if you don't get it sorted out and want to try a set of 3800lb B-body springs lemme know and i'll bring you down a set at Norwalk. These have maybe 200 miles and a few dozen track passes on them so basicly brand new.
I'll trade them for a 6-pack of Raff's favorite Keystone Light
Ron
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
[Re: firefighter3931]
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07/26/11 05:12 PM
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The 3800# B/E body length SS springs have a longer rear segment than other SS springs. I ran them on my Charger (with extended front hanger, all SS springs have the same A-body length front segment and require them on B/E body cars) and I did not have to move the rear hanger. If you're running the original A-body style 002/003 SS springs on a B body, you need both the extended front hanger and relocation of the rear hanger.
http://chucker54.stores.yahoo.net/superstock.html
Thanks for the explanation Nick ....that's what i figured was going on.
Randy, if you don't get it sorted out and want to try a set of 3800lb B-body springs lemme know and i'll bring you down a set at Norwalk. These have maybe 200 miles and a few dozen track passes on them so basicly brand new.
I'll trade them for a 6-pack of Raff's favorite Keystone Light
Ron
Thats a pretty pricey set of springs dont ya think Ron and believe me thats not my choice... when I'm home I drink Molson Ice
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
[Re: Labratt]
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07/26/11 05:28 PM
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How can I pass up a deal like that??? I'll bring a TRUNKFUL of KL for those springs,Buddy! I'm going to try moving that rear shacle angle...and see what happens! We'll see! Ronnie...do ya think it really makes that much of a difference? THANKS BUDDY!
Randy if you put the B body springs on it will move because the springs are longer in the rear
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
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07/26/11 06:30 PM
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Randy I bet it will be huge difference. Right now it gose into a bind and shortens the stroke so the spring quits working. We have tried the 3400 and 3600 and 3800 springs and none will out 60 the 002/003s that is the best scienced out mopar spring in my oppinion.
Last edited by JAKE68; 07/26/11 06:32 PM.
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
[Re: Labratt]
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07/27/11 05:28 AM
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Thanks,Gary! Guess it'll stay in the top hole...don't need it any higher! I use the 9-way Rancho rear shock...has anyone had a problem with them not having enough travel...and bottoming out?
Be sure to check them as their are couple of different shocks, extended length should be around 25 to 25 1/2" long, if not the shocks may top out when you launch the car
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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT???
[Re: Mr340]
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07/29/11 07:39 PM
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Randy,
You need to disconnect the rear shocks from the axle/bottom end and support the car from the frame, letting the rear suspension hang free/unloaded. then extend you shocks.... they should extend at least an inch or so beyond the mounting point.
First he needs to correct the shackle issue... the spring will travel farther when corrected and the axle will drop farther THEN he needs to measure the shock distance like you said
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