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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037391
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Mick..NO WAY am I cutting into the body..not even the wheel well lip!




This is the same problem I'm suck with as well. I really don't want to hack up mine, not even to put a bar in it. That's why it's still a juice cam 440 with a 10" converter and street tires. The body on mine needs work, but not whole quarters so I don't think I'll cut it up. It even has the correct block still in it from '68.

I'm tempted all the time to put a low deck , solid roller cammed stroker in it, but what's the sense when I won't be allowed to make laps in it at the track? What I need to do is find a 383 RR shell and build that, but then the divorce would take all of the car money


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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: actionange] #1037392
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Drv side has space the thickness of a nickel between spring and lever.




would the bigger gap help with a harder hit ?
I have just a slight "air gap" on mine on the driver side,,might open it up some if you have found good results..??

Doug

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: 69CHARGERMD] #1037393
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Drv side has space the thickness of a nickel between spring and lever.




would the bigger gap help with a harder hit ?
I have just a slight "air gap" on mine on the driver side,,might open it up some if you have found good results..??

Doug




Opening the gap would definitely cause a harder hit.
The thickness of a nickel is very small and allow the bar to work in a non violent way.
Soften the shock setting allows the tire to work without spinning.
Just trying to not over power the hot,greasy, sun drenched starting line this time of year...

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: actionange] #1037394
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One thing that I SHOULD have tried for my lousy 1.60 60' times,was softening up the shocks! They were set @ #9 position..or as stiff as you can set them! Probably should have tried #7..or even #5,since the starting line wasn't so good! Too busy fooling with carbs..and jet changes, in the blasted heat!

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037395
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I got to thinking about suspension mods tonight..and haven't run this idea past my good friend,Mr. P-Body yet! I'm wondering if I should just skip the re-location kit..and get a ladder bar set-up instead! What do you guys think? I drive the car on the street...but not very much. What are the pros...and cons of ladder bar suspensions? It's got to improve my 60's over my current SS spring set-up! Am I correct in assuming this? Thanks in advance for your opinions! Randy B.

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037396
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Randy I use to run 29/12.5x15 under my car with everything stock and a 8 in rim.

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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037397
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Randy,

Looking at your youtube videos, imo, it looks like the car is porpoising ie., rocking front to back after the initial hit, unloading the slicks.
- You can hear the engine loading differently as it bounces around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_TSf9u0o3c

Have you ever checked to see how much travel are you getting out of your front end before it tops out?

Super Stock springs + 30" slicks can make for a pretty tall rear end of the car.

I have read comments from mr p-body and others that explain that this kind of raked stance & rear height yield a tall center of gravity.
This higher CG makes it more difficult to get the car to rapidly transfer the weight to the rear.
In essence, the energy is wasted instead of being utilized.

Swapping over to some stock ride height or - 1" Calvert Monoleafs + caltracs would lower the rear substantially.
Lowering the CG would aid in getting the weight and energy transferred rapidly and firmly planting the tires.

Ever considered lowering blocks or different front hangers for your existing SS setup?




Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037398
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One thing that I SHOULD have tried for my lousy 1.60 60' times,was softening up the shocks! They were set @ #9 position..or as stiff as you can set them! Probably should have tried #7..or even #5,since the starting line wasn't so good! Too busy fooling with carbs..and jet changes, in the blasted heat!




Randy, I would start with working on what you have now
and see if its optimized(which I doubt)... everytime
we/you go to the track you play with the engine...
I dont know if you have ever spent a day tuning the
chassis... like I told you before, you need to lower
the back end some BUT if I remember right you cant
because the tires crash... well we need to look at
getting the tires to clear(move them inboard some)
and this might be where the ladder bars come into play...
its been a while since I've looked under there
to see whats what.... maybe you should bring the X
over and we spend some time eyeballing under it ...
I do remember your shackles are out of wack(angle)

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1037399
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Thanks,Mike! What's a good time to come over tomorrow? I just have to switch out the slicks for street tires. Let me know! Randy

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037400
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Thanks for your opinions and ideas,Brent! Chief...12.5" slick under your RR??? On an 8" rim? Do you remember what the back-spacing was? Thanks! Randy

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037401
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Dont matter to me... I'm here all the time(I'm boring)
just give me a call before you swing by..... also
when you have the tires off measure the total clearance
you have in the wheel well

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: actionange] #1037402
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does this look cool enough for ya? i have to take my wheels of next week if you want a can take some measurments.

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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: bonefish] #1037403
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another it rides a little high for most guys taste but i like that old skool look.i have cal traks.

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Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: bonefish] #1037404
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Al...your X sits MUCH higher than mine! I think mine is pretty even..front to back! What size are your street tires? I run a 295/65-15 on a 8" wheel..4.5" back-spacing. Thanks for the pics!...NICE! F-8..or F-5 Green?

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Al...your X sits MUCH higher than mine! I think mine is pretty even..front to back! What size are your street tires? I run a 295/65-15 on a 8" wheel..4.5" back-spacing. Thanks for the pics!...NICE! F-8..or F-5 Green?




Randy when you are doing some measurements take a
reading from the axle flange(drum) to the back for
clearance to see what BS you can get away with

Re: RE-LOCATION KIT TO LADDER BAR SET-UP??? [Re: Labratt] #1037406
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On my 68 GTX I ran 15 x 10 with 4.5 back spacing and 28.5 X 10.5's with no problems. then 29.5 X 10.5 was still ok but when i went 11.50 X 29.5 (30.5 high) I had to cut fold over the flange lips now a 5 backspace maybe would not have to??
And that was without relocating the springs!

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Al...your X sits MUCH higher than mine! I think mine is pretty even..front to back! What size are your street tires? I run a 295/65-15 on a 8" wheel..4.5" back-spacing. Thanks for the pics!...NICE! F-8..or F-5 Green?


ill take some measurements for ya.F-7

Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: topbrent] #1037408
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Randy,

Looking at your youtube videos, imo, it looks like the car is porpoising ie., rocking front to back after the initial hit, unloading the slicks.
- You can hear the engine loading differently as it bounces around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_TSf9u0o3c



Brent...My bad! My memory needs a darn tune-up! I could have sworn I had the Rancho's set at #9!....they were actually set @ #5...maybe too soft,and reason for the porpusing! #5 is my street setting,by the way.





Re: MAX WHEEL AND TIRE COMBO USING INBOARD SPRING KIT??? [Re: Labratt] #1037409
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Randy, mine has Caltracs & monos with 295/65 M/T DR's and it hooks good with 720ftlbs of tq

Chip runs the same suspension & tires on his Cuda and 60fts in the 1.30's with his 572 Hemi

Brad H also runs CalTracs and 295/65 M/T's and 60 fts in the 1.40's


My vote is to not cut the car up, use a bolt on traction improver and use a 295 DR



Ron


Ps. On a side note ; i'm wondering if those a-body SS springs might be causing some type of problem ? Are the rear shakles facing forward with the chassis loaded ?

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Ps. On a side note ; i'm wondering if those a-body SS springs might be causing some type of problem ? Are the rear shakles facing forward with the chassis loaded ?

X2 on above
Don't remember- are you running a pinion snubber?

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