Re: Fastest stock 400 engine combos/E.T.s??
[Re: BURIAN]
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Ive seen posts in the past about the fastest 360/440 smoggers but what about 400s? Theres alot of guys like myself that dink around with 400s. Cheap and easy to find. What have you guys done with stock bottom end 400s, Meaning stock low compression pistons, stock crank etc. I need some ideas for my newest 400 combo
I haven't run one yet that wasn't bone stock (and slow as hell), but my current project that got derailed just this weekend was gonna be stock 73 400 short block, shaved and ported 516 close-chamber heads (with 1.81 exhaust valves, stock intake valves), Hughes Whiplash cam (probably the big one), stock rockers (until i could afford some Comp Pro-comp rockers), ported Holley SD manifold, Holley 800DP, MSD Distributor and box, Hooker Comp headers and 3" mandrel bent X-pipe exhaust.
I was toying with the idea ov buying these 2.14 valves at the swap meet this weekend for some more head flow, but i'm only doing the bigger exh. valves to get rid ov the 1.60 stock ones, any more is gonna turn into a head rebuild (which they dont need). If this all worked i'd save up to build the same combo with zero-deck forged pistons and then save up for a much better aluminum head/big solid cam combo down the road.
You might wanna look up the Mopar Engines handbook. In there is a test car they built out ov a Duster (i think) and used several MP cam combos in a stock piston 400... all the way up to the big MP solid. That was an automatic car with some serious gears, and went pretty damn fast for a $100 short block. I dont remember the details though.
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Re: Fastest stock 400 engine combos/E.T.s??
[Re: Pale_Roader]
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05/31/11 04:06 AM
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Ive seen posts in the past about the fastest 360/440 smoggers but what about 400s? Theres alot of guys like myself that dink around with 400s. Cheap and easy to find. What have you guys done with stock bottom end 400s, Meaning stock low compression pistons, stock crank etc. I need some ideas for my newest 400 combo
I haven't run one yet that wasn't bone stock (and slow as hell), but my current project that got derailed just this weekend was gonna be stock 73 400 short block, shaved and ported 516 close-chamber heads (with 1.81 exhaust valves, stock intake valves), Hughes Whiplash cam (probably the big one), stock rockers (until i could afford some Comp Pro-comp rockers), ported Holley SD manifold, Holley 800DP, MSD Distributor and box, Hooker Comp headers and 3" mandrel bent X-pipe exhaust.
I was toying with the idea ov buying these 2.14 valves at the swap meet this weekend for some more head flow, but i'm only doing the bigger exh. valves to get rid ov the 1.60 stock ones, any more is gonna turn into a head rebuild (which they dont need). If this all worked i'd save up to build the same combo with zero-deck forged pistons and then save up for a much better aluminum head/big solid cam combo down the road.
You might wanna look up the Mopar Engines handbook. In there is a test car they built out ov a Duster (i think) and used several MP cam combos in a stock piston 400... all the way up to the big MP solid. That was an automatic car with some serious gears, and went pretty damn fast for a $100 short block. I dont remember the details though.
I hope this helps:
Stock 400 ci engine w/stock 8.5 to 1 pistons MP Stage IV heads MP 850 cfm carb MP Chrome Ignition Box MP Performance Headers A-727 Torqueflite Trans 4.30-1 Gears w/Sure Grip (8 1/4 rear housing) 10-1/2" W Slicks Plymouth Duster Bracket car - weight 3200lbs (less driver)
Cam: Duration Lift C-line: E.T. MPH P4120237H 292* .509" 108* 11.77 114.89 (Baseline) P4120659M 284* .528" 112* 11.69 115.90 P4120661M 296* .557" 110* 11.55 117.05 P4120663M 312* .590" 106* 11.45 118.00
Each camshaft was installed at 2* less than the centerline, with the EXCEPTION of the .590" cam. The .590" cam was installed at a 104* centerline. The valve springs (P2806077) were used for all cams tested. FYI: No particular intake was listed, so common sense kicks in - single plane as in M1 OR Holley Street Dominator. Neither was any converter suggested
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Re: Fastest stock 400 engine combos/E.T.s??
[Re: HYPER8oSoNic]
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05/31/11 06:22 AM
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Ive seen posts in the past about the fastest 360/440 smoggers but what about 400s? Theres alot of guys like myself that dink around with 400s. Cheap and easy to find. What have you guys done with stock bottom end 400s, Meaning stock low compression pistons, stock crank etc. I need some ideas for my newest 400 combo
I haven't run one yet that wasn't bone stock (and slow as hell), but my current project that got derailed just this weekend was gonna be stock 73 400 short block, shaved and ported 516 close-chamber heads (with 1.81 exhaust valves, stock intake valves), Hughes Whiplash cam (probably the big one), stock rockers (until i could afford some Comp Pro-comp rockers), ported Holley SD manifold, Holley 800DP, MSD Distributor and box, Hooker Comp headers and 3" mandrel bent X-pipe exhaust.
I was toying with the idea ov buying these 2.14 valves at the swap meet this weekend for some more head flow, but i'm only doing the bigger exh. valves to get rid ov the 1.60 stock ones, any more is gonna turn into a head rebuild (which they dont need). If this all worked i'd save up to build the same combo with zero-deck forged pistons and then save up for a much better aluminum head/big solid cam combo down the road.
You might wanna look up the Mopar Engines handbook. In there is a test car they built out ov a Duster (i think) and used several MP cam combos in a stock piston 400... all the way up to the big MP solid. That was an automatic car with some serious gears, and went pretty damn fast for a $100 short block. I dont remember the details though.
I hope this helps:
Stock 400 ci engine w/stock 8.5 to 1 pistons MP Stage IV heads MP 850 cfm carb MP Chrome Ignition Box MP Performance Headers A-727 Torqueflite Trans 4.30-1 Gears w/Sure Grip (8 1/4 rear housing) 10-1/2" W Slicks Plymouth Duster Bracket car - weight 3200lbs (less driver)
Cam: Duration Lift C-line: E.T. MPH P4120237H 292* .509" 108* 11.77 114.89 (Baseline) P4120659M 284* .528" 112* 11.69 115.90 P4120661M 296* .557" 110* 11.55 117.05 P4120663M 312* .590" 106* 11.45 118.00
Each camshaft was installed at 2* less than the centerline, with the EXCEPTION of the .590" cam. The .590" cam was installed at a 104* centerline. The valve springs (P2806077) were used for all cams tested. FYI: No particular intake was listed, so common sense kicks in - single plane as in M1 OR Holley Street Dominator. Neither was any converter suggested
Thats the one. I have NO idea where my Mopar Engines book got to...
118mph is pretty cookin' for a 7.5:1 smogger. MP Stage 4 heads weren't all that great either, though it doesn't say whether they were ported or not.
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Re: Fastest stock 400 engine combos/E.T.s??
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05/31/11 04:08 PM
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The only 'big' issue with the 400 was the lack of an oem High compression piston. KB makes a flat top that should get you right at 10-10.5:1 with a decent closed chamber head (like a 67 Magnum 915) of better yet, an edelbrock.
The 557 is a great cam in a light A body or a 4 speed but in a B or E automatic I'd run the .528. Performer RPM hands down (Sd is better on a 440) and a 750 double pumper, run a 1 3/4 header with an Auto or a 1 7/8 with a 4 speed. with a decent gear 3.91-4.30 (depending on your tire size) and a quickened up dizz you should go high 11's (or at worse in a heavy car very low 12's) on pump gas without a lot of drama.
Ron's son's 406 Dart is about as basic a hot rod as you can get but it's a solid consistent performer. Like I said it really takes the slug swap to get the 400 the performance respect/cred you would give a 'vintage' 383 magnum.
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Re: Fastest stock 400 engine combos/E.T.s??
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06/01/11 12:02 AM
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The heads were pretty much Stage IV pieces, which flowed a bit better than the factory 400 head, out the box. I remember a flog that either Mopar Muscle or Mopar Action did on a 72' RR w/a 400 Magnum equipped with a TQ, HD727 trans and 3.23 gears. They put 3.91's or 4.10's in the rear, tweaked the TQ and ignition, uncorked or changed the exhaust manifolds to headers. Got the 'Bird to hook and laid down almost 12-flat runs with 90% of the basic internals intact!! Now that's one way to haul booty pretty cheap!!
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Re: Fastest stock 400 engine combos/E.T.s??
[Re: terzmo]
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06/01/11 07:58 PM
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As mentioned, biggest issue is the stock compression. Do the math. I did, and trying to get it at 7.5 on a bone stock engine is wishfull. It was really more like 7 to 1. Yup, the KB pistons alone and nothing else get you near the 9 to 1, with some deck milling its no problem. I had two stock blocks and the piston to deck clearance was .117" in one and .119" in the other. Toss that in with an actual cc'd head and its really doomsday for any real performance. Unless you build it with other specific parts (converter/gears/cam) that all match to acheive some level of performance. Of course you could do what I did and put a hair dryer on it. Never made it to the track but it was one heck of a kick in the pants for a bonestock engine.
Outcast Dodge guy.
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