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steeldust
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INDY 572-13 HEADS ?
      #7283878 - Sun Jul 08 2012 10:46 PM Attachment (101 downloads)

Who has a good price and are good at making them make horse power over my set of 440-1s i am going to get a set a little later i would like to keep my motor the same just change the heads my 440-1s are out of the box they have no port work on them do you all think 572-13s will make 50 to 100 more HP over my 440-1s THANKS for any help .

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Randy..
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: steeldust]
      #7283882 - Sun Jul 08 2012 10:52 PM

if gonna make that big a change $$ wise go on up to a set of B1s

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steeldust
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: Randy..]
      #7283887 - Sun Jul 08 2012 11:00 PM

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if gonna make that big a change $$ wise go on up to a set of B1s


I think with 572s i can still use my intake and tray and pistons?

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Chris'sBarracuda
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: steeldust]
      #7283901 - Sun Jul 08 2012 11:20 PM

It would be cheaper to port the -1's


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steeldust
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: Chris'sBarracuda]
      #7283913 - Sun Jul 08 2012 11:24 PM

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It would be cheaper to port the -1's


Chris..


Do you think they will make 50 to 100 more HP then what they are making now ?

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Chris'sBarracuda
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: steeldust]
      #7283939 - Sun Jul 08 2012 11:47 PM

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It would be cheaper to port the -1's


Chris..


Do you think they will make 50 to 100 more HP then what they are making now ?





Not sure about hp numbers, but I think that a ported -1 would out flow an ootb 572-13..

Check these ported numbers.. The 572-13 barely out flows the -1's both ported..

Check Modern and Porter to compare.. I believe they're both about 375 @ .700 lift..

http://users.erols.com/srweiss/tablehdc.htm#Chrysler_Big_Block


Like I said, I would just port the -1's.. On a 572" with stock 440-1's, you are giving up quite a bit of power. So 50-100hp I would guess is possible.


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Al_AlguireModerator
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: Chris'sBarracuda]
      #7283952 - Mon Jul 09 2012 12:05 AM

IMO dont waste your money on the -13 head. Not worth the expense, better options ou tthere for sure. As Chris said porting what oyu have and getting a cam to match that will save you money and likely gain you a good deal of HP as well.

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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: Al_Alguire]
      #7283976 - Mon Jul 09 2012 01:06 AM



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Twin Turbo Mower
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: Al_Alguire]
      #7283980 - Mon Jul 09 2012 01:19 AM Attachment (133 downloads)

You need a 4.5 bore for the 572's and different pistons. I made the switch to them. Modern did my set. Had these done at the begining of last year. Just got the motor together so no results yet. Here is the flow sheet.

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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: steeldust]
      #7284006 - Mon Jul 09 2012 04:23 AM

If you have no porting, the motor should pick up a solid 100 hp on a race motor with 572 cubes. I am making about 900 hp, or enough to go consistent 8.80s with 3050 lbs car and driver. You should be able to match that power level with a full port job. After that it will get expensive, because the 572 needs new pistons, and at that point you might as well sell what you have and step up to a B1 head. A B1Mc will make over 1,000 hp, ask Al for details.

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Tig
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: gregsdart]
      #7284019 - Mon Jul 09 2012 05:31 AM

As mentioned, you'll be better off porting the heads you've got. Personally I wouldn't upgrade from -1's to -13's I'd go for at least B1-MC's.
Again this has been mentioned but, you will need new pistons as the valve reliefs are bigger and in a different place, also I'm not sure if the headers will swop over either, the -13's are cut back some along the exhaust side face. Also you would be better off going to the 3X intake as the others don't seem to have a lot of material to match the roof of the intake port. For the gains I'm not sure it's worth it.
If and when I get round to upgrading, B1-PSO's will be on the top of the list.

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Twin Turbo Mower
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: Tig]
      #7284084 - Mon Jul 09 2012 07:26 AM

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As mentioned, you'll be better off porting the heads you've got. Personally I wouldn't upgrade from -1's to -13's I'd go for at least B1-MC's.
Again this has been mentioned but, you will need new pistons as the valve reliefs are bigger and in a different place, also I'm not sure if the headers will swop over either, the -13's are cut back some along the exhaust side face. Also you would be better off going to the 3X intake as the others don't seem to have a lot of material to match the roof of the intake port. For the gains I'm not sure it's worth it.
If and when I get round to upgrading, B1-PSO's will be on the top of the list.




I have a set of tti 2 1/8 step headers bolted to my motor now fit the same as the 2 inch I had on the -1's. I too would just port out the -1's If I were him. Only reason I upgraded to these was it was the biggest head I could fit under the stock heed with no scoop and use off the shelf headers. Modern cut the exhaust exits the same as the -1's not like indy does so I could use the headers I wanted. I would have gone with a b-1 head but it would not have cleared my factory hood.

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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: Twin Turbo Mower]
      #7284217 - Mon Jul 09 2012 09:43 AM

TTM thanks for the info! always wonder that about going 572's! real curious how your new 572s will work for your car and real curious on your pickup going to those heads... keep us updated on that so we can see value of upgrading to those heads

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440Jim
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: SleDgIE]
      #7284244 - Mon Jul 09 2012 09:59 AM

As other's have mentioned, the piston valve reliefs are different for 572-13 heads. 13 degree vs 15 degree, moved location.

For the real step-up, the B1 originals would be my choice. But if you have fairly new 440-1 heads, and you said no porting, there may be room for much improved porting to around 375 cfm with the 2.25" intake valve. I don't know if your current port shape would interfere with the current CNC porting programs for 440-1 heads. OOTB 440-1 don't flow well at all, so a CNC would be a big improvement, IMO.

You will need to check your piston valve reliefs if you change to the 440-1 2.25" intake valve. Some are OK, some are not.

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MRMOPAR622
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: 440Jim]
      #7284296 - Mon Jul 09 2012 10:44 AM

Holy Crap,I spent my hard earned $$$ buying not just 1 set but 2 sets of 572-13 heads,when I could have save $$$ by using 440-1 heads I just let 1 set go with my spare engine,but you can bet the farm on this I won't be replacing them with a set of 440-1 heads.

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Slingshot383
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: MRMOPAR622]
      #7284346 - Mon Jul 09 2012 11:17 AM

The B-1's are far from a bolt on set of heads, they are a lot more work to get a total package assembled than the switch to the 572-13's.

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sasquatch
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: Slingshot383]
      #7284363 - Mon Jul 09 2012 11:26 AM

Port work and a good cam will easily get you another 100 or so over OOTB -1 heads. You can crack 900 or so with a 572 with -1 heads and the right cam and components/
Todd

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joshking440
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: sasquatch]
      #7284369 - Mon Jul 09 2012 11:31 AM

Best Machine can help you with your selection of parts...

check this out

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1


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Tig
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: MRMOPAR622]
      #7284499 - Mon Jul 09 2012 01:23 PM

Quote:

Holy Crap,I spent my hard earned $$$ buying not just 1 set but 2 sets of 572-13 heads,when I could have save $$$ by using 440-1 heads I just let 1 set go with my spare engine,but you can bet the farm on this I won't be replacing them with a set of 440-1 heads.




I would run another set of -13's anyday, It's not all about flow numbers.

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Tig
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: SleDgIE]
      #7284501 - Mon Jul 09 2012 01:26 PM

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Anyone have flow numbers on the -13 385cc with a 4.5inch bore?

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Old School
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: Tig]
      #7284557 - Mon Jul 09 2012 02:03 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Holy Crap,I spent my hard earned $$$ buying not just 1 set but 2 sets of 572-13 heads,when I could have save $$$ by using 440-1 heads I just let 1 set go with my spare engine,but you can bet the farm on this I won't be replacing them with a set of 440-1 heads.




I would run another set of -13's anyday, It's not all about flow numbers.




that is so true. the 572-13,s have alot more port volume than the -1,s, at the same flow.....

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Al_AlguireModerator
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: Tig]
      #7284566 - Mon Jul 09 2012 02:08 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Holy Crap,I spent my hard earned $$$ buying not just 1 set but 2 sets of 572-13 heads,when I could have save $$$ by using 440-1 heads I just let 1 set go with my spare engine,but you can bet the farm on this I won't be replacing them with a set of 440-1 heads.




I would run another set of -13's anyday, It's not all about flow numbers.




You got that right. So lets start the list of 1000+ hp -13 motors out there I do know of one but it is a BIG motor...

It is your money spend it however you like but IMO there are better valuaes out there than the 572-13 head for the money. As for the OP seems the consensus is to save money and port what you have. If you want to upgrade I think most will agree DONT go to the -13. But we are all likely wrong

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Tig
super street


Reged: Jan 26 2003
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: Al_Alguire]
      #7284600 - Mon Jul 09 2012 02:41 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Holy Crap,I spent my hard earned $$$ buying not just 1 set but 2 sets of 572-13 heads,when I could have save $$$ by using 440-1 heads I just let 1 set go with my spare engine,but you can bet the farm on this I won't be replacing them with a set of 440-1 heads.




I would run another set of -13's anyday, It's not all about flow numbers.




You got that right. So lets start the list of 1000+ hp -13 motors out there I do know of one but it is a BIG motor...

It is your money spend it however you like but IMO there are better valuaes out there than the 572-13 head for the money. As for the OP seems the consensus is to save money and port what you have. If you want to upgrade I think most will agree DONT go to the -13. But we are all likely wrong




When I can afford to upgrade I'll likely chose the B1 PSO's.
The -13's have a place, They don't have the complexity / valve train issues of the B1's.
If you are after max HP then the Hemi head is the choice.
Peace

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'74 Challenger..9.58 @ 142.11 with mufflers, 3897# N/A, 580ci, KB, Indy 572-13's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, 4:10's and 10.5s. Marsh Performance pump gas 655ci @ 1050hp in soon.
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MRMOPAR622
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Reged: Sep 16 2003
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: Al_Alguire]
      #7284641 - Mon Jul 09 2012 03:11 PM

I would run another set of -13's anyday, It's not all about flow numbers.



that is so true. the 572-13,s have alot more port volume than the -1,s, at the same flow

I see there is still a few smart people out there!

Al add mine to that 1,000 hp list(mine has 572-13 heads),if not that or more how does it run the ET it runs? You can argue flow sheets & dyno numbers and it is nothing more than Gossip,when you put it in the car and it runs the numbers that's what counts!
I have been doing this a good while now and believe me as much $$$ as I put into engines over the years if I could or knew of anyone that could make more Horse-Power with a B1 engine and back those numbers up in the car I would have a B1 engine instead of a Indy engine.

I'm not loyal to Indy,as much $$$ as I have spent on Indy products I do not get any favors from them. I never bash B1 heads or any of the other people that build Mopar parts,in fact I wish we had more companies building good Mopar race parts like the X brand racers have.
Right now if you want a Mopar Race engine you either buy Indy they sell the blocks and everything else or B1 Heads and everything else from another supplier.They charge us what ever price they want,and if we want to go fast we have to buy it from one or the other of them and they both know it.
It seems out here on the East coast we only know how to make the Indy engines run fast.Our Indy engines make Big horse power @ 7400-7600 RPM!
Where as out on the West coast the B1 engines is the only engine you all out there know how to make run fast.What RPM do you guys how to turn those B1 engines to make Big horse power? is it in the high 8000-low 9000 RPM

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Edited by MRMOPAR622 (Mon Jul 09 2012 03:13 PM)


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Old School
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: Al_Alguire]
      #7284663 - Mon Jul 09 2012 03:30 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

Holy Crap,I spent my hard earned $$$ buying not just 1 set but 2 sets of 572-13 heads,when I could have save $$$ by using 440-1 heads I just let 1 set go with my spare engine,but you can bet the farm on this I won't be replacing them with a set of 440-1 heads.




I would run another set of -13's anyday, It's not all about flow numbers.




You got that right. So lets start the list of 1000+ hp -13 motors out there I do know of one but it is a BIG motor...

It is your money spend it however you like but IMO there are better valuaes out there than the 572-13 head for the money. As for the OP seems the consensus is to save money and port what you have. If you want to upgrade I think most will agree DONT go to the -13. But we are all likely wrong




the predator head guys could say the same thing about b-1,s. " dont waste your money on b-1,s, when you know predator,s out perform them"

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70 CHARGER 580" 4SP
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Twin Turbo Mower
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: Tig]
      #7284668 - Mon Jul 09 2012 03:36 PM

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Anyone have flow numbers on the -13 385cc with a 4.5inch bore?
Quote:



On my first post I attached a flow sheet from modern on a 4.5 bore. Only reason I say for him to port the heads he has is it would cost him the least amount of money. Now if he wanted a Cnc port job and wanted the most flow he would be better off getting new heads as indy makes casting dedicated just for cnc program for the bigger port volumes. I went with t&d rockers on my -13's they oil through the pushrods as I did not want spray bar oiling like you need with jessel rockers. I was pretty happy with the flow numbers from the heads.

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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: MRMOPAR622]
      #7284670 - Mon Jul 09 2012 03:39 PM

Quote:

I would run another set of -13's anyday, It's not all about flow numbers.



that is so true. the 572-13,s have alot more port volume than the -1,s, at the same flow

I see there is still a few smart people out there!

Al add mine to that 1,000 hp list(mine has 572-13 heads),if not that or more how does it run the ET it runs? You can argue flow sheets & dyno numbers and it is nothing more than Gossip,when you put it in the car and it runs the numbers that's what counts!
I have been doing this a good while now and believe me as much $$$ as I put into engines over the years if I could or knew of anyone that could make more Horse-Power with a B1 engine and back those numbers up in the car I would have a B1 engine instead of a Indy engine.

I'm not loyal to Indy,as much $$$ as I have spent on Indy products I do not get any favors from them. I never bash B1 heads or any of the other people that build Mopar parts,in fact I wish we had more companies building good Mopar race parts like the X brand racers have.
Right now if you want a Mopar Race engine you either buy Indy they sell the blocks and everything else or B1 Heads and everything else from another supplier.They charge us what ever price they want,and if we want to go fast we have to buy it from one or the other of them and they both know it.
It seems out here on the East coast we only know how to make the Indy engines run fast.Our Indy engines make Big horse power @ 7400-7600 RPM!
Where as out on the West coast the B1 engines is the only engine you all out there know how to make run fast.What RPM do you guys how to turn those B1 engines to make Big horse power? is it in the high 8000-low 9000 RPM




Billy,
Your dragster runs fast for sure. Other than yours, and I'd still like to know what it weighs, I haven't seen a 572-13 motor that was worth the switch when you could upgrade to the B1 for the same money again JMO.
B1 problems with rocker geometry is something I don't know anything about, and I've owned 3 different 572 B1's that run 7.30's at 183, and that's in a 1850# car with a wing at Las Vegas. It runs that ET and MPH at around 7500RPM, shifting at 7200-7300. Also, the Koffels are much easier to deal with IMO.


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EvilB1Dart
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: Tig]
      #7284673 - Mon Jul 09 2012 03:41 PM

For the OP,

Like others have stated, if you are just looking to make 50-100 more HP, porting your -1's will be best bet and cheaper in the long run. Your current heads placed in the "right" hands will make the HP range you are looking for. Probably need a cam change too, maybe.

What kills me is all this talk of -13's won't run. I'm sure there are plenty of them on motors running real good; its not fair to say they won't run just because many, many other racers don't frequent this forum to share their story on the performance of their motor w/-13's.

Lets not FORGET, a former Best Machine customer (Lane Lambert) in a somewhat heavy Dart set some All-Motor classes on their ASS with a set of well prepared -13's and 581" Wedge. He did it in competition with a 1.28 60', 8.55 @ 159 in Toronto @ #3310 on a small tire......and it was not a 1-run wonder; car ran fast all the time and won multiple races, 6-yrs ago!!!!!!!! Lane and BMRE went separate ways, but that hotrod was fast!

As far as people stating B1's having valve train issues, this or that......yeah they probably do when placed in the "wrong" hands or people just throwing them together in a hurry......it ain't the heads that have problems......lol.

Haven't made up my mind yet, but I have 572-13's w/Jesel indiv. shaft rockers on my motor currently, but I am seriously considering selling them; they have been CNC'd by Jeff at MCH w/flow data. If I sell I'm going B1-PSO or Predator top-half. Just have not figured out what direction to go yet. IF I make a change, Brian at IMM will get the call for the work.

Wes

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Old School
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: Twin Turbo Mower]
      #7284679 - Mon Jul 09 2012 03:44 PM

when i had my cnc 365cc flowed they did:
.100 68
.200 124
.300 174
.400 236.4
.500 306.6
.600 357.2
.700 376.5
.800 388

4.5"bore
28" h2o

i would think the 385cc would do better.....

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70 CHARGER 580" 4SP
70 CUDA CONVERT 500" 4SP (SUBLIME)
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: EvilB1Dart]
      #7284682 - Mon Jul 09 2012 03:44 PM

EVILB1 how fast have you been on the -13s / weight of car and compression?

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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: SleDgIE]
      #7284691 - Mon Jul 09 2012 03:51 PM

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EVILB1 how fast have you been on the -13s / weight of car and compression?




572", 4.440 bore, 10.1 pump gas, small roller, 3325#'s and 9.60's.....have driven this thing over 100-miles on a sunday afternoon before it got blazing hot here. Its a true street car......like Billy G says, "livin' life in a powder keg"...lmao!

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SleDgIE
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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: EvilB1Dart]
      #7284696 - Mon Jul 09 2012 03:54 PM

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EVILB1 how fast have you been on the -13s / weight of car and compression?




572", 4.440 bore, 10.1 pump gas, small roller, 3325#'s and 9.60's.....have driven this thing over 100-miles on a sunday afternoon before it got blazing hot here. Its a true street car......




you had a diff screen name before right? dartman928 or something.


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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: EvilB1Dart]
      #7284697 - Mon Jul 09 2012 03:55 PM

Billy I surrender, I know you love bustin my ball$..I know my 2900lb little B1 running 8.0's at 170 is not worthy in your eye nor a match for that all mighty Indy motor in your little dragster for sure. I will crawl back in my hole and just be in awe Wonder how fast my little B1 would be in a 1450lb dragster anyway

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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: SleDgIE]
      #7284699 - Mon Jul 09 2012 03:57 PM

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EVILB1 how fast have you been on the -13s / weight of car and compression?




572", 4.440 bore, 10.1 pump gas, small roller, 3325#'s and 9.60's.....have driven this thing over 100-miles on a sunday afternoon before it got blazing hot here. Its a true street car......




you had a diff screen name before right? dartman928 or something.




No, that is my friend Rob. Bought the car from him a while back and made some changes/upgrades to it since then. I used to own the tan 540 B1 '72 Dart that I sold to Steve; owner of Predator Perf.

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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: EvilB1Dart]
      #7284702 - Mon Jul 09 2012 03:59 PM

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EVILB1 how fast have you been on the -13s / weight of car and compression?




572", 4.440 bore, 10.1 pump gas, small roller, 3325#'s and 9.60's.....have driven this thing over 100-miles on a sunday afternoon before it got blazing hot here. Its a true street car......




you had a diff screen name before right? dartman928 or something.




No, that is my friend Rob. Bought the car from him a while back. I used to own the tan '72 Dart that I sold to Steve; owner of Predator Perf.




okay makes sense! I know before he had posted 9.74/139 in that car with 572/572-13 deal! care to share the increments on that run


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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: SleDgIE]
      #7284704 - Mon Jul 09 2012 04:04 PM

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okay makes sense! I know before he had posted 9.74/139 in that car with 572/572-13 deal! care to share the increments on that run




we can on PM's. don't want to steal the OP's thread.....lol.

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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: steeldust]
      #7284718 - Mon Jul 09 2012 04:18 PM

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Who has a good price and are good at making them make horse power over my set of 440-1s i am going to get a set a little later i would like to keep my motor the same just change the heads my 440-1s are out of the box they have no port work on them do you all think 572-13s will make 50 to 100 more HP over my 440-1s THANKS for any help .




whats it run now and what are you looking to run in the future? dj


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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: racerbychoice]
      #7284825 - Mon Jul 09 2012 05:37 PM


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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: EvilB1Dart]
#7284697 - Mon Jul 09 2012 04:55 PM
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Billy I surrender, I know you love bustin my ball$..I know my 2900lb little B1 running 8.0's at 170 is not worthy in your eye nor a match for that all mighty Indy motor in your little dragster for sure. I will crawl back in my hole and just be in awe Wonder how fast my little B1 would be in a 1450lb dragster anyway

Al, I don't want you to surrender,that would be no fun. I was only talking to you on the add my engine to your 1,000 hp list. As for how fast your little B1 engine would be in a 1450 lb dragster,not very fast at all you would be lucky to make it to the 60' time clocks,ask me how I know.Be fore warned I am building a new engine that will out Horse-Power you Hemi engine even on the dyno. The heads(your Big O'll Hemi heads) will even be up to par if not better than your heads on a flow beach.

I enjoy these head topics or should I call them Head Games.
For a couple of weeks everyone will say run the SR heads,them Big O'll 440-1 heads are just too much you don't need that much head. Then in a week or two the same ones will be saying,them 440-1 heads won't flow enough not even the 572-13 heads.Indy doesn't make a head big enough to make a 1,000 hp with.
The only thing I enjoy more than reading post like these,is all of you here on Moparts.Because most of you have came through with advice & help when I needed it.

Now I will try and help steeldust...In my opinion I think the 572-13 heads would be your best choice.They will work fine now and even better if at a later date if you decide to up the cu in.

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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: MRMOPAR622]
      #7284944 - Mon Jul 09 2012 06:59 PM

I am looking for a tenth or a little more the car will run 5.90s in good cool air but i need 6.00 to 6.02 in real bad hot air and a slick track it run 6.05 & 6.04 & 6.04 & 6.06 & 6.04 and i lost with a 6.04 and the air was hot and bad that`s why i was asking about the 572-13s .

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Re: INDY 572-13 HEADS ? [Re: steeldust]
      #7284981 - Mon Jul 09 2012 07:22 PM

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I am looking for a tenth or a little more the car will run 5.90s in good cool air but i need 6.00 to 6.02 in real bad hot air and a slick track it run 6.05 & 6.04 & 6.04 & 6.06 & 6.04 and i lost with a 6.04 and the air was hot and bad that`s why i was asking about the 572-13s .






It's your money..

So for about $1500 or so you can port the 440-1's and get what you need or spend $4000-5000 and get more than you need..


Chris..

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