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440challenger
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Reged: Feb 21 2003
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Installing Bronze pilot bushing
      #6396632 - Tue Jan 04 2011 07:00 AM

IM installing a stock bronze pilot bushing in my steel crank 383. Its very tight going in..I was going to heat the crank a little bit and then freeze the bushing,but then i got to thinking.

Are all factory steel crank 383's drilled to fit pilot bushings? And if they werent drilled would the hole even be close to the size that you think you would be able to drive a bushing into?

Can I just remove some material from the outside of it?

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MLR426
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Reged: Aug 17 2005
Loc: ILL
Re: Installing Bronze pilot bushing [Re: 440challenger]
      #6396682 - Tue Jan 04 2011 07:57 AM


Clean the crank hole, chamfer the leading edge of the bushing for easier hole entry, freeze bushing then install. Your only going to cause more fitment issues by hammering on it with out any progress.

logan426


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MO_PA
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Reged: Jan 21 2003
Loc: Big Sky Country
Re: Installing Bronze pilot bushing [Re: 440challenger]
      #6396751 - Tue Jan 04 2011 08:50 AM

Not all cranks are bored to the correct inside diameter...beware of this. If your crank has an unfinished hole you can get an undersize bushing that may or may not be a decent fit. If the bushing fits too tightly it will crush too much and the trans shaft will not fit.

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Commando1
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Re: Installing Bronze pilot bushing [Re: MLR426]
      #6396768 - Tue Jan 04 2011 09:02 AM

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Clean the crank hole...



In addition, may I add that I always use a brake cyl. hone to clean it up. You need a small one of course. A KD 267 is perfect.



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KillerBee
Mustang Fan


Reged: Jan 20 2003
Loc: N.E. Ohio
Re: Installing Bronze pilot bushing [Re: Commando1]
      #6396805 - Tue Jan 04 2011 09:32 AM

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Quote:


Clean the crank hole...



In addition, may I add that I always use a brake cyl. hone to clean it up. You need a small one of course. A KD 267 is perfect.






That's the tool my machinist used when he installed the pilot bushing in my 1966 440 crank.
The pilot bushing hole was there, but with the engine coming out of an automatic car it was unfinished and needed some work to make the bushing fit.


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MLR426
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Reged: Aug 17 2005
Loc: ILL
Re: Installing Bronze pilot bushing [Re: MO_PA]
      #6396888 - Tue Jan 04 2011 10:43 AM

Quote:

Not all cranks are bored to the correct inside diameter...beware of this. If your crank has an unfinished hole you can get an undersize bushing that may or may not be a decent fit. If the bushing fits too tightly it will crush too much and the trans shaft will not fit.




I forgot to add common sense must be used when fitting.

logan426


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feets
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Reged: Jan 20 2003
Loc: Irving, TX
Re: Installing Bronze pilot bushing [Re: 440challenger]
      #6396918 - Tue Jan 04 2011 10:59 AM

I cheated when I did mine.

Freeze the bushing. Clean the hole in the crank and make sure it's got a chamfer. Once it's prepped, hang a balancer puller off the crank. Slide the frozen bushing between the crank and puller. Use a plate between the ram and bushing. Crank away but do it before the bushing thaws out.



This is just a random photo of the puller I grabbed from the net. I have a pic of my install at home but I'm not sure if it's on my current hard drive or the one that fragged.

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In_The_Pink
Hey Kid Want Some Candy


Reged: Oct 21 2005
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Re: Installing Bronze pilot bushing [Re: feets]
      #6397521 - Tue Jan 04 2011 05:06 PM

I suggest you use the newer style bearing in the torque converter hub register instead of the bronze bushing.

http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/clutch/1.html



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jrwoodjoe
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Reged: Aug 23 2004
Loc: Tenn.
Re: Installing Bronze pilot bushing [Re: In_The_Pink]
      #6397810 - Tue Jan 04 2011 07:33 PM

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I suggest you use the newer style bearing in the torque converter hub register instead of the bronze bushing.

http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/clutch/1.html






More details on the roller instead of pilot.

http://wwnboa.org/psrbi.htm

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440challenger
master


Reged: Feb 21 2003
Loc: NJ
Re: Installing Bronze pilot bushing [Re: jrwoodjoe]
      #6400142 - Wed Jan 05 2011 09:04 PM

thanks guys. problem was it was drilled but not finished. I had to take a lot off ..... i used a dremel with a sanding roll

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