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jt4406
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413 motorhome engine ???"s
      #5888017 - Fri Mar 26 2010 04:12 AM

Had the opportunity yesterday to buy a 413 engine out of a motorhome. It was complete with a holley carb (looked to be one with a governor). I passed on it. It had the industrial waterpump setup on it so I figured the heads, intake, carb, exhaust, were all basically useless. It had a small diameter balancer, didn't look to be externally balanced, but not the same diameter as a steel 440 crank would have had. Do you guys know if the block, crank and rods were useful in an automotive application?

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: jt4406]
      #5888121 - Fri Mar 26 2010 06:11 AM

What year?

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: jt4406]
      #5888231 - Fri Mar 26 2010 07:36 AM

Where's Doc fiberglass? I bet he knows.

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RC91
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: Dodgem]
      #5888254 - Fri Mar 26 2010 07:52 AM

Many of the industrial type big blocks used 8 bolt cranks like a hemi. The block, crank, and maybe the rods could be usable. The heads have 318 sized valves (1.78 Intake, 1.50 Exhaust) and the ports resemble a small blocks ports. Those motors are usually low compression, like 7:1 and rated around 160 HP.

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: RC91]
      #5888317 - Fri Mar 26 2010 08:30 AM

I have a 413 Motor home engine,and it says 265 horsepower right on the air cleaner lid.

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: chargervert]
      #5888368 - Fri Mar 26 2010 09:09 AM

413's are a compromise anyway because of the bore size (smaller than a 383). If you're looking for a block to rebuild with performance in mind, there's really no reason to start with anything except a 440 or 400.


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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: Challenger 1]
      #5888521 - Fri Mar 26 2010 10:31 AM

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Where's Doc fiberglass? I bet he knows.




You rang ? ..

To the OP ... you passed on it ? .. how much were they asking for it? I have seen a JY asking as much as 1000$ ...and as little as 125$(with a trans) in a burned-out MH .... toasted because the Berry crab started leaking like a sieve ....and burned the front half of the MH almost to-the-ground !!!

IS this motor usable in a car .....as-is ? If you want a GRUNT motor and if you want to heavily modify the exh mans .. sure. But the entire combo is more suited to a motorhome/truck application.

Should you toss all those parts you mention? ... YEAH ... TOSS 'EM over here ! I am doing some serious R%D with this combo and am saving all these parts I can.

Are the parts that you mention worth saving? ... I say yes. Are they as good as a typical 440 HP combo ? ... probably not - as some would suggest.

But then did the smaller-bore Max-Wedge run pretty good ?

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""""""""""Had the opportunity yesterday to buy a 413 engine out of a motorhome. It was complete with a holley carb (looked to be one with a governor). I passed on it. It had the industrial waterpump setup on it so I figured the heads, intake, carb, exhaust, were all basically useless. It had a small diameter balancer, didn't look to be externally balanced, but not the same diameter as a steel 440 crank would have had. Do you guys know if the block, crank and rods were useful in an automotive application? """""""""""

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: MisterFiberglass]
      #5888561 - Fri Mar 26 2010 10:55 AM

The one I have is complete,carb to pan,with trans,and it runs. The first person to put $400.00 in my hand can take it.

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: chargervert]
      #5888693 - Fri Mar 26 2010 12:26 PM

Dodge 1971/72 V8- 413-1 4 BBL 4.188 X 3.75 7.5 to 1 265 @ 4000 445 fp @ 2400 Sodium Ex. Valves

Dodge 1971/72 V8- 413-3 4 BBL 4.188 X 3.75 7.5 to 1 238 @ 3600 407 fp @ 2000 Sodium Ex. Valves

Dodge 1973 V8- 413-3 4 BBL 4.188 X 3.75 7.5 to 1 190 @ 3200 355 fp @ 2000 Sodium Ex. Valves

Dodge 1976 V8- 413-3 4 BBL 4.188.X 3.75 7.54 to 1 175 @ 3200 325 fp @ 2000


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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: chargervert]
      #5888749 - Fri Mar 26 2010 01:03 PM

Quote:

The one I have is complete,carb to pan,with trans,and it runs. The first person to put $400.00 in my hand can take it.




In my experience .... your hand is going to be OUT THERE a long LONG time !

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: RC91]
      #5888756 - Fri Mar 26 2010 01:05 PM

Quote:

Dodge 1971/72 V8- 413-1 4 BBL 4.188 X 3.75 7.5 to 1 265 @ 4000 445 fp @ 2400 Sodium Ex. Valves

Dodge 1971/72 V8- 413-3 4 BBL 4.188 X 3.75 7.5 to 1 238 @ 3600 407 fp @ 2000 Sodium Ex. Valves

Dodge 1973 V8- 413-3 4 BBL 4.188 X 3.75 7.5 to 1 190 @ 3200 355 fp @ 2000 Sodium Ex. Valves

Dodge 1976 V8- 413-3 4 BBL 4.188.X 3.75 7.54 to 1 175 @ 3200 325 fp @ 2000




WHERE did you come up with these #'s ?

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Commando1
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: jt4406]
      #5888895 - Fri Mar 26 2010 02:04 PM

This can be debated ad nauseum but what it boils down to is that a 413 block is like any other BB (I said BLOCK, not engine) . No dif. The block itself: $150. Only use it as a starting point to a total budget build.

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: MisterFiberglass]
      #5888902 - Fri Mar 26 2010 02:06 PM

http://www.flxible.net/enginespecs.html

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wildfish72
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: 2young2drive]
      #5967846 - Thu May 06 2010 04:32 PM

i picked up a 413 some years ago with all that crap on it , and slapped a set of 906 heads i have laying around and a summit cam i had also a tm7 with a 150 shot of nos and man it runs pretty dam good on or off the bottle i like the motor becuase i cant git it to ping at all and i can run some shitty gas in it if im broke that week . i will say the 413 spins like a 383 but torqs like 440 , i like the motor for its all around powerband it has

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: wildfish72]
      #6193616 - Mon Sep 13 2010 09:44 AM

I just picked one of these up, and I am wondering what can be used? I have a 2bbl 383 out of a 70 polara for parts, can I use the 413 intake on the 906 heads? This is a budget build for right now. I just want to know what to hang on to, and what to toss on the scrap trailer.

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jt4406
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: partfiler69]
      #6193737 - Mon Sep 13 2010 11:05 AM

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I have a 2bbl 383 out of a 70 polara for parts, can I use the 413 intake on the 906 heads?




If I understand you correctly, you want to use the 413 intake on the 906 heads MOUNTED ON THE 383, correct? I believe the 413 is an RB engine, while the 383 is a B engine. If all this is right, the intake is too wide to fit your 383.
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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: jt4406]
      #6193754 - Mon Sep 13 2010 11:19 AM

Some people THINK that the 413 MH intake is a way-diff piece than most-any RB intake. NOT so ...

It is a little diff ... like it has COOLANT running through-it instead of exhaust heat AND that that particular manifold is way yester-tech ....

You can do muchO BESTer .. with a more up-to-date intake ...

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: jt4406]
      #6193756 - Mon Sep 13 2010 11:20 AM

I'm sorry, let me try this again. I want to take the oil pan, pickup tube, heads and water pump housing from the 383 and put it on the 413. Did I forget anything?

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: partfiler69]
      #6193783 - Mon Sep 13 2010 11:41 AM

Quote:

I'm sorry, let me try this again. I want to take the oil pan, pickup tube, heads and water pump housing from the 383 and put it on the 413. Did I forget anything?




YES ... it will work .. but you can do better. Get a set of small chambered heads for more compression(the MH 413 is very weak in that area). And a set of regular 383 heads(906's?) will not help.

In this swap ... watch out for the top two ports of the water pump in the block. On the 413 - using those "goofy" heads ... these ports are more-than-likely plugged with sediment.

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: MisterFiberglass]
      #6193786 - Mon Sep 13 2010 11:43 AM

much easier just to take a felt marker and write
"413" on the 383's valvecovers... no?


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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: MisterFiberglass]
      #6193789 - Mon Sep 13 2010 11:50 AM

Ok, thanks for the tip. What would be a better head to use instead of the 906's. What if I had the 906's flat milled .040?

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: ]
      #6193796 - Mon Sep 13 2010 11:53 AM

Quote:

much easier just to take a felt marker and write
"413" on the 383's valvecovers... no?




WH .....???? ... whatchoobeensmokin?

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: partfiler69]
      #6193802 - Mon Sep 13 2010 11:56 AM

Quote:

Ok, thanks for the tip. What would be a better head to use instead of the 906's. What if I had the 906's flat milled .040?




What do you plan on doing with the engine combo ? ... have you pulled the heads off that 413 ? ..... the 906's can not be milled enough to get decent compression with that shortblock.

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: MisterFiberglass]
      #6193813 - Mon Sep 13 2010 12:03 PM

It will be replacing the tired 318 in my wifes 73 satty. It is just a weekend cruiser. Nothin radical or extreme.

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: partfiler69]
      #6193836 - Mon Sep 13 2010 12:11 PM

I think that you would be muchO happier with a combo of a 516 head cut say 30 ... with a set of late model valve sizes.

Have you seen those dished pistons ?

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: MisterFiberglass]
      #6193862 - Mon Sep 13 2010 12:27 PM

Quote:

I think that you would be muchO happier with a combo of a 516 head cut say 30 ... with a set of late model valve sizes.

Have you seen those dished pistons ?



What can i find a set of 516's on? This will be my first build. And I won't be jerking the heads off 'till this weekend, so I've yet to see this 'dish'. But eventually i would like to punch the block .062, and make a 426. But for now, BUDGET is the name of the game.

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: partfiler69]
      #6193882 - Mon Sep 13 2010 12:36 PM

Early/mid 60's B engines for the heads ....but if BUDGET is the game and if you already have a set of 906's ....maybe cut those 60.

But it will still have low compression.

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: MisterFiberglass]
      #6193904 - Mon Sep 13 2010 12:48 PM

Thanks

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: partfiler69]
      #6193968 - Mon Sep 13 2010 01:21 PM

Be sure to cut the intake side of the heads to keep the geometry the same. You can't slam .060" off the intake ports. It requires a different amount and possibly a different angle to keep things the same.

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: feets]
      #6194588 - Mon Sep 13 2010 07:12 PM

Well, from what I am reading about the low compression of this beast, it seems to have BOOST written all over it!

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: partfiler69]
      #6194635 - Mon Sep 13 2010 07:31 PM

Yes it IS a good lower rpm blower or turbo base motor. And YES .. you do have to cut some off the intake side of the heads to make everything line-up OK after cutting .060 ... the amount and the formula escapes me at this point.

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: MisterFiberglass]
      #6195342 - Tue Sep 14 2010 07:06 AM

Thanks for the help, everybody.
I'm also wondering, is it possible to put a set of 383 pistons in it, or do I need 426W pistons?

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: partfiler69]
      #6195981 - Tue Sep 14 2010 01:45 PM

383 pistons will work ... but you will have about 4 to ONE compression ratio ..

426w pistons would be the ticket OVER those 383 ones ..

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: MisterFiberglass]
      #6196183 - Tue Sep 14 2010 03:45 PM

Quote:

383 pistons will work ... but you will have about 4 to ONE compression ratio ..
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Hey, the way the quality of gas keeps deteriorating, that may be a good thing....

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: MisterFiberglass]
      #6196305 - Tue Sep 14 2010 05:15 PM

Quote:

383 pistons will work ... but you will have about 4 to ONE compression ratio ..



Can't I just have the heads flat milled .010?

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: partfiler69]
      #6196329 - Tue Sep 14 2010 05:28 PM

Quote:

Quote:

383 pistons will work ... but you will have about 4 to ONE compression ratio ..



Can't I just have the heads flat milled .010?




MORE LIKE .....1.100 !!

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: partfiler69]
      #6197248 - Wed Sep 15 2010 07:50 AM

Quote:

Can't I just have the heads flat milled .010?



Please say you're being facetious.
At least I pray so.

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: Commando1]
      #6197765 - Wed Sep 15 2010 01:26 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Can't I just have the heads flat milled .010?



Please say you're being facetious.
At least I pray so.



Yes, this might be my first engine teardown, but I do have a negligable amount of common sense.

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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: partfiler69]
      #6197810 - Wed Sep 15 2010 02:01 PM

I think someone did some measuring and figured out that 383 pistons would work in a 413 (bored to 4.25) with a 4.15 stroker crank. Not sure anyone has ever actually tried it, though.

That would make it a 472, BTW.


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Re: 413 motorhome engine ???"s [Re: ]
      #6197849 - Wed Sep 15 2010 02:35 PM

a 440 crank in a 400 block makes a 470 stroker

would be sweet to make a 413/472 strokers as well

I think I will swing by and pick up that MH 413 thats for sale in my town

I think the odd looking wp and tall heads would deff be kool looking in my 85 truck

should be fine for towing my 440 truck around instead of the 318 sb thats in it

is 300$ a bad deal?,it runs and moves the MH down the road good,no smoke,noise..ect..

its just a PITA to pull out,hope they want to scrap it so I can

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