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what is faster big block chevy or mopar?
      #5520668 - Fri Oct 02 2009 03:23 PM

using factory block and heads and no power adder what would be faster? big block mopar or chevy? not including a hemi because we all know nothing can beat a hemi. i know the chevy heads flow a ton more air but what else plays into it? the best we can get a factory wedge head to flow that i have ever seen was around 315 cfm. the chevy guys routinely get 375 from factory heads.

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: moparmafia]
      #5520681 - Fri Oct 02 2009 03:31 PM

Just look at the fastest cars list from the 60's and 70's when these car were stock.

Kinda like asking whats heavier a ton of feathers or a ton of bricks


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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: 10secGTX]
      #5520694 - Fri Oct 02 2009 03:39 PM

I knew a couple of ls6 chevelles that would beat a big block mopar and your unbeatable hemi no problem..

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: ]
      #5520733 - Fri Oct 02 2009 03:54 PM

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I knew a couple of ls6 chevelles that would beat a big block mopar and your unbeatable hemi no problem..




yea and I know a few small block mopars that would hand them their rears. you need to take your GM loving ass back where you came from.


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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: Quicktree]
      #5520734 - Fri Oct 02 2009 03:55 PM

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I knew a couple of ls6 chevelles that would beat a big block mopar and your unbeatable hemi no problem..




yea and I know a few small block mopars that would hand them their rears. you need to take your GM loving ass back where you came from.




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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: Quicktree]
      #5520741 - Fri Oct 02 2009 03:56 PM

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I knew a couple of ls6 chevelles that would beat a big block mopar and your unbeatable hemi no problem..




yea and I know a few small block mopars that would hand them their rears. you need to take your GM loving ass back where you came from.



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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: Quicktree]
      #5520767 - Fri Oct 02 2009 04:11 PM

Quote:

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I knew a couple of ls6 chevelles that would beat a big block mopar and your unbeatable hemi no problem..




yea and I know a few small block mopars that would hand them their rears. you need to take your GM loving ass back where you came from.


Quicktree...

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: moparmafia]
      #5520776 - Fri Oct 02 2009 04:16 PM

I think the answer to that question would lie in the NHRA records. Since the stock/super stock cars are required to have "stock" parts, check the NHRA rules for which motors/parts were rated highest. I think you'll find the 440-6 cars were fairly dominate in the faster classes.

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: ]
      #5520795 - Fri Oct 02 2009 04:23 PM

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on the street a hemi could not run with 6 pac


You're dead right on that one Fred!!!
I still have my Hemi Satellite, and I know a couple of 6 pack cars that got me on the street...could usually catch them after about a 1/8th mile, but those wedges usually out run me thru 1st and 2nd.

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: ProStDodge]
      #5520804 - Fri Oct 02 2009 04:27 PM

you have to understand the totality of your question..
comparing a big block chevy to a big block mopar.
is like apples and oranges...its a clique, i know..
but the though process that went into designing both of these engines couldnt be more different.

mopar uses a long rod with lots of piston dwell..
and slower piston speeds..thats whey the head ports are where they are.
chevies have short rods. fast piston speeds and this means they need a ton of volume in the head port to fill the cyl quickly..
they make power differntly ..
you cant complain about a mopar head being smaller than a chevy...dont compare it to a chevy..
i am not saying one is better...just that they are different for a reason...engineer'd
its like using a gutter pipe for a garden hose..
or a garden hose for a gutter pipe..
just the wrong application.
cheapst
now as far as which mopar is faster...? thats never gonna end..
as a teenager i owned a 396 chevelle..all my friends had big block chevelles.
the fastest my chevelle ever went was 14.60 and that was a street car..
i purchased a 340 duster(still own it) and when i brought it out...all my chevy buddies gave me a real hard time...and i mean a ribbing..
it never ended...
especially after that 340 ran a 13.00flat..
faster then every single chevelle except one in the group..
with very little mods it was low 12 sec car.
so all in all ...its relative to what your camparing to...
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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: Quicktree]
      #5520843 - Fri Oct 02 2009 04:45 PM

Quote:

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I knew a couple of ls6 chevelles that would beat a big block mopar and your unbeatable hemi no problem..




yea and I know a few small block mopars that would hand them their rears. you need to take your GM loving ass back where you came from.




Big deal i've owned/own a few small blocks that would kick they're asses too but the question is about BIG BLOCKS...so kiss my small block loving butt..


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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: 10secGTX]
      #5520852 - Fri Oct 02 2009 04:49 PM

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Kinda like asking whats heavier a ton of feathers or a ton of bricks




Depends whether I'm standing under them.

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: jcc]
      #5520898 - Fri Oct 02 2009 05:07 PM

This is one of those emotionally charged debates that never gets resolved. my .02 on paper the Chevy wins. But in the real world that did'nt always happen...if you look at the HP ratings, they are pretty much the same. Due to the small port heads, the Mopars and even the Stage I Buicks had an advantage in low RPM TQ which is important on the street. Sm blocks in light cars like Dusters could indeed beat the heavy BB Chevelles.

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: moparmafia]
      #5520906 - Fri Oct 02 2009 05:11 PM

Quote:

using factory block and heads and no power adder what would be faster? big block mopar or chevy? not including a hemi because we all know nothing can beat a hemi. i know the chevy heads flow a ton more air but what else plays into it? the best we can get a factory wedge head to flow that i have ever seen was around 315 cfm. the chevy guys routinely get 375 from factory heads.


For starters, the Hemi is a big block....
Secondly, If you're going to talk about the one of none high-end, solid cammed, 12 to 1 BBCs,,,, then you must include the original fastest cars on the planet.. the super stock Dodges. I don't know how well a 70 chevelle would hold against a 64 330 MW car??

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: 10secGTX]
      #5520939 - Fri Oct 02 2009 05:31 PM

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Kinda like asking whats heavier a ton of feathers or a ton of bricks




Well, technically if the feathers were weighed using the British long ton and the bricks were weighed with the avoirdupois system the feathers would weigh more.

Just sayin'...


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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: moparmafia]
      #5520947 - Fri Oct 02 2009 05:33 PM

One thing to keep in mind is that in stock form 440s, both Magnums and Six Paks, were pretty mild engines. The Hemi was expected to take care of the more radical BBCs, like ZL-1s, LS6s and L88s. So it's pretty cool that a 10:1, hydraulic cammed 440 could often hang with an 11:1 solid cammed, rectangular port Rat motor.

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: cheapstreetdustr]
      #5520949 - Fri Oct 02 2009 05:33 PM

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its a clique, i know..



we're a clique, that's a cliche.

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: forphorty]
      #5520998 - Fri Oct 02 2009 05:52 PM

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One thing to keep in mind is that in stock form 440s, both Magnums and Six Paks, were pretty mild engines. The Hemi was expected to take care of the more radical BBCs, like ZL-1s, LS6s and L88s.




Thats a very good point (and true). So its almost a moot point as to wether or not a Rat could beat a 440.

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: 64Post]
      #5521002 - Fri Oct 02 2009 05:54 PM

I knew a couple of ls6 chevelles that would beat a big block mopar and your unbeatable hemi no problem.. I had a 69 442 400-360 hp with 3.73 gears, started out stock about 14.30's and with a little work got to run consistant 13.80's on "real" street tires, and I felt like KING KONG. I could whack about anything I raced on the streets, 440 GTX's 396 Chevelles,Novas and Camaros, Cobra Jets, Didn't matter, until I ran a Hemi Orange 6 Pack Super Bee and He made a believer of me . I said "I'm a gonna get me one of them there Mopars without hood hinges" and I did, but mine was Green. With a small amount of work, the 6 packs would run deep in the 12's. Probably the best "Factory Street Racer" there was. These cars held the National records in their classes back in the day, before all the factoring crap and "replacement parts" they allow to brand x today in Stock. lol

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: Lil Wedge]
      #5521022 - Fri Oct 02 2009 06:02 PM

I have the truthto thus... Illl post in a bit!

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: Lil Wedge]
      #5521023 - Fri Oct 02 2009 06:03 PM

I thought this was already done?
Darren Tedder built all of the best available big blocks,,,And the Hemi won with 800+ hp.




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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: B1Fish540]
      #5521026 - Fri Oct 02 2009 06:04 PM

Well, if you take a bb chebby and a bb mopar and drop them from 100ft, the mopar will win The chebbies came with more alu parts than the mopars did

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: emarine01]
      #5521048 - Fri Oct 02 2009 06:13 PM

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Well, if you take a bb chebby and a bb mopar and drop them from 100ft, the mopar will win The chebbies came with more alu parts than the mopars did





No, it would be a tie in that case. Grafity doesnt care about the type of metal.


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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: ]
      #5521051 - Fri Oct 02 2009 06:14 PM

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Buick....




If Buick would have cast 50 pounds more iron in the 455 blocks they would have killed off the big Chevy.

Instead, you have a lightweight block with decent heads that seizes the crank if you turn it over 5500.


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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: emarine01]
      #5521055 - Fri Oct 02 2009 06:16 PM

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Year Make Model Engine HP 1/4 mile 1/4 mile Source
2007 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 8.0L W16 1001 10.1 142 CD
1968 Dodge S/S Hemi Dart 426 Hemi V8 525 ** 10.5 129 MCR
1968 Plymouth S/S Barracuda 426 Hemi V8 525 ** 10.5 130 MCR
1969 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray LT2 454 V8 465 ** 10.6 132 MT
2007 Saleen S7 Twin Turbo 7.0L V8 T/C 750 10.6 139.8 RT
2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 LS7 7.0L V8 505 ** 10.85 129.5 -
1969 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray ZL1 427 V8 430 ** 10.89 130 MT
2003 Ferrari Enzo 6.0L V12 660 11 133.9 MT
2002 Mosler MT900 Photon LS6 350 V8 435 11.02 126.88 MT
2004 Porsche Carrera GT 5.7L V10 605 11.1 133.4 MT
2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 6.2L V8 S/C 638 11.2 130.5 MT
2005 Ford GT 5.4L V8 S/C 550 11.2 131.2 MT
2007 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano 5.999L V12 612 11.3 126.4 MT
2003 Saleen S7 7.0L V8 550 11.36 127 MT
2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 LS7 7.0L V8 505 11.5 127.1 MT
1997 Ameritech McLaren F1 6.0L V12 627 11.6 125 MT
2005 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 5.4L V8 S/C 617 11.6 127.2 MT
2008 Dodge Viper SRT-10 8.4L V10 600 11.7 124.4 MT
2005 Ferrari F430 F1 4.3L V8 483 11.7 122.8 MT
2002 Lamborghini Murcielago 6.2L V12 571 11.72 122.52 MT
1964 Ford Fairlane T-bolt 427 V8 425 ** 11.76 122.78 CC
2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 8.3L V10 500 11.77 123.63 MT
2007 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 Coupe 6.4L V12 631 11.8 124 MT
2001 Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0L V12 550 11.8 121 MT
2005 Maserati MC12 6.0L V12 624 11.8 123.9 MT
2005 Mercedes-Benz CL65 AMG 6.0L V12 T/C 604 11.8 120.9 MT
1997 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C 427 V8 488 11.8 121 MT
2004 Porsche Turbo X50 3.6L H6 T/C 450 11.86 119.91 MT
2004 Mercedes-Benz SL600 5.5L V12 T/C 493 11.9 120 CD
2002 Porsche 911 GT2 3.6L H6 T/C 456 11.9 120.6 CD
2001 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.6L H6 T/C 415 11.9 115.6 MT
1963 Dodge Ramcharger 426 V8 425 12 117 MCR
2000 Lamborghini Diablo 6.0L V12 550 12 119.8 CD
2004 Superformance Brock Coupe 402 V8 515 12 120 MT
1997 Dodge Viper GTS 8.0L V10 450 12.07 115.2 MCR
2004 Porsche 911 GT3 3.6L H6 380 12.07 116.04 MT
1997 Ferrari F50 4.7L V12 513 12.1 124.5 CD
2000 Shelby Series 1 4.0L V8 S/C 450 12.1 120 CD
1966 AC / Shelby Cobra 427 V8 425 12.2 118 CC
2000 Dodge Viper ACR 8.0L V10 460 12.2 119.2 MT
2000 Ferrari 360 Modena 3.6L V8 395 12.2 113.5 MT
2003 Ferrari 575M Maranello 5.7L V12 508 12.26 118.58 MT
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 LS6 346 V8 405 12.29 116 CD
1997 Dodge Viper RT/10 8.0L V10 450 12.3 117.19 MT
2003 Mercedes-Benz CL55 AMG 5.4L V8 S/C 493 12.38 114.45 MT
2003 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 5.4L V8 S/C 469 12.39 116.21 MT
2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 LS3 6.2L V8 436 12.4 116 CD
1998 Dodge Viper GTS-R 8.0L V10 460 12.5 118.5 MT
2000 Ferrari 550 Maranello 5.5L V12 485 12.5 116.9 CD
2004 Lamborghini Gallardo 5.0L V10 495 12.5 116.7 MT
2003 Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG 5.4L V8 S/C 469 12.5 116.1 MT
2004 Ferrari Challenge Stradale 3.6L V8 425 12.53 114.14 MT
2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 LS6 346 V8 385 12.57 113.96 MT
2005 Chevrolet Corvette Z51 LS2 6.0L V8 400 12.6 114 CD
2006 Mercedes-Benz CLS55 AMG 5.4L V8 S/C 469 12.6 114.4 MT
2005 Porsche 911 Carrera S 3.8L H6 355 12.6 111.1 MT
2003 Audi RS 6 4.2L V8 T/C 450 12.63 108.64 MT
2007 Ford Shelby GT500 5.4L V8 S/C 500 12.7 114.2 MT
2001 Shelby Cobra 289 FIA 5.0L V8 350 12.7 108.1 MT
1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 427 V8 430 12.76 107 MCR
2002 BMW Z8 5.0L V8 394 12.8 111.6 MT
1990 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 LT5 350 V8 375 12.8 113.8 MT
1966 Chevrolet Corvette L72 427 V8 425 12.8 112 CD
1993 Dodge Viper RT/10 8.0L V10 400 12.8 110 MT
2002 Ferrari 360 Spider 3.6L V8 395 12.8 110.8 MT
1995 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta 3.5L V8 375 12.8 110.2 MT
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra 4.6L V8 S/C 390 12.8 113.2 CD
2000 Ford Mustang Cobra R 5.4L V8 385 12.8 112.7 MT
2007 Jaguar XK 4.2L V8 S/C 400 12.8 110.9 MT
2005 Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG 5.4L V8 355 12.8 109.2 MT
1999 Lotus Esprit 3.5L V8 T/C 350 12.85 110.96 MT
1999 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 LS1 346 V8 310 12.89 109.18 HT
2002 Aston Martin Vanquish 6.0L V12 460 12.9 112.9 CD
2005 Bentley Continental GT 6.0L W12 T/C 552 12.9 109.7 MT
2006 BMW M5 5.0L V10 500 12.9 114.9 MT
1967 Chevrolet Corvette L71 427 V8 435 12.9 111 CI
1993 Ferrari 512 TR 5.0L H12 421 12.9 110 MT
1969 Plymouth Road Runner 440 V8 6-pack 390 12.91 111.8 SS
1999 Chevrolet Corvette LS1 346 V8 350 12.98 108.85 MT
1997 Pontiac Firebird / Hurst LS1 346 V8 350 12.99 103.11 MCR
2007 Audi RS 4 4.2L V8 420 13 102.1 MT
2006 Cadillac XLR-V 4.4L V8 S/C 443 13 110 CD
2003 Chevrolet Corvette convertible LS1 346 V8 350 13 109.6 MT
1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS L78 396 V8 375 13 108.6 SA
2003 Maserati Coupe Cambio 4.2L V8 385 13 110.4 MT
2002 Mercedes-Benz SLK32 AMG 3.2L V6 S/C 349 13 105.2 CD
1970 Plymouth Cuda 440 V8 6-pack 390 13 105.74 MCR
2006 Subaru WRX STi 2.5L F4 T/C 300 13 103.5 MT
1991 GMC Syclone 4.3L V6 T/C 280 13.06 100.2 HR
2006 Bentley Continental Flying Spur 6.0L W12 T/C 551 13.1 107 CD
2002 BMW M5 5.0L V8 400 13.1 109.4 MT
2001 BMW M Roadster 3.2L 6-cyl 315 13.1 107.6 MT
2005 Cadillac CTS-V LS6 346 V8 400 13.1 109.8 MT
1995 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 LT5 350 V8 405 13.1 112 MT
2005 Chevrolet Corvette Roadster LS2 6.0L V8 400 13.1 110.4 MT
2006 Dodge Magnum SRT8 6.1L V8 425 13.1 108.2 MT
1970 Dodge Challenger SE 426 Hemi V8 425 13.1 107.12 CC
2005 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution RS 2.0L I4 T/C 271 13.1 102.8 MT
1970 Plymouth Cuda 426 Hemi V8 425 13.1 107.12 CC
1964 Pontiac GTO *** 389 Tri-Power 348 13.1 115 CD
1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS LS6 454 V8 450 13.12 107.01 CC
2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 4.6L V8 305 13.13 105.51 MM
2004 Mercedes-Benz CLK55 AMG 5.4L V8 362 13.14 108.07 MT
1999 Pontiac Firebird Formula LS1 346 V8 320 13.15 108.27 MT
2002 Acura NSX 3.2L V6 290 13.17 107.65 CD
2004 Dodge Ram SRT-10 8.3L V10 500 13.19 107.07 MT
2006 Aston Martin DB9 5.9L V12 449 13.2 111 CD
2002 BMW M3 Coupe 3.2L 6-cyl 333 13.2 106.9 MT
1999 Chevrolet Camaro SS LS1 346 V8 320 13.2 108.8 MT
2005 Chrysler 300C SRT8 6.1L Hemi V8 425 13.2 108.1 MT
2008 Dodge Charger SRT8 6.1L Hemi V8 425 13.2 109 CD
2004 Jaguar XJR 4.2L V8 390 13.2 107 CD
2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 6.1L Hemi V8 420 13.2 104 CD
1992 Lotus Esprit Turbo 133 I4 T/C 264 13.2 106.2 MT
2004 Maserati Spyder Vintage 4.2L V8 385 13.2 108.2 MT
2007 Mercedes-Benz S600 5.5L V12 T/C 510 13.2 108.5 MT
2005 Mercedes-Benz C55 AMG 5.4L V8 362 13.2 107.3 MT
2005 Mercedes-Benz G55 5.4L V8 S/C 469 13.2 103.2 MT
2004 Panoz Esperante GT-LM 4.6L V8 S/C 420 13.2 108.8 MT
1991 Pontiac Firehawk 350 V8 350 13.2 107 CD
1969 Pontiac GTO Judge 400 V8 370 13.2 104 MCR
2003 Mercedes-Benz CLK55 5.5L V8 362 13.24 107.41 MT
2003 Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG 3.2L V6 S/C 349 13.24 106.86 CD
1987 Buick GNX 3.8L V6 T/C 300 13.26 104 CI
2006 Cadillac STS-V 4.4L V8 S/C 469 13.3 105.7 MT
1968 Chevrolet Corvette L71 427 V8 435 13.3 108 HPC
2005 Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 3.2L V6 S/C 330 13.3 107.4 MT
2002 Ferrari Barchetta Pininfarina 5.5L V12 485 13.3 111.8 CD
2005 Lotus Elise Sport 1.8L I4 190 13.3 102.9 MT
2005 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR 2.0L I4 T/C 286 13.3 103.4 MT
2005 Pontiac GTO LS2 6.0L V8 400 13.3 107.5 MT
2007 Porsche Cayman S 3.4L H6 295 13.3 107 CD
1969 Plymouth Road Runner 426 Hemi V8 425 13.32 107.7 SS
1968 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30 400 V8 360 13.33 103.56 CC
1967 Pontiac GTO 400 V8 360 13.37 103.4 MCR
1970 Buick GS Stage 1 455 V8 360 13.38 105.5 MT
2000 Aston Martin DB7 Vantage 5.9L V12 420 13.4 106.4 MT
2002 Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Volante 5.9L V12 414 13.4 105.1 MT
2004 Audi S4 4.2L V8 340 13.4 105.1 MT
2006 BMW Z4 M Coupe 3.2L I6 330 13.4 105 CD
2004 Maybach 57 5.5L V12 T/C 543 13.4 106.4 RT
1998 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am LS1 346 V8 305 13.4 107.3 MT
2005 Porsche Boxster S 3.2L H6 280 13.4 103.9 MT
1968 Chevrolet Corvette L71 427 V8 435 13.41 109.5 CD
2003 Jaguar XKR 4.2L V8 S/C 390 13.43 105.36 MT
1999 Mitsubishi 3000 GT 3.0L V6 T/C 320 13.44 101.79 CD
1996 Chevrolet Camaro SS LT1 350 V8 310 13.46 106.48 MCR
1969 Dodge Super Bee 440 V8 6-pack 390 13.46 103.02 MCR
1969 Dodge Charger 500 426 Hemi V8 425 13.48 109 HR
2000 Chevrolet Camaro SS LS1 346 V8 325 13.5 107.3 MT
1968 Dodge Charger 426 Hemi V8 425 13.5 105 CD
2005 Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8 300 13.5 103.6 MT
2005 Jaguar Super V8 4.2L V8 S/C 390 13.5 106.2 MT
2007 Mercedes-Benz SL550 5.5L V8 382 13.5 106 CD
1967 Plymouth GTX 426 Hemi V8 425 13.5 105 CD
2000 Pontiac Trans Am WS6 LS1 346 V8 325 13.5 107.4 MT
2008 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L V8 361 13.5 104.9 RT
1993 Pontiac Firehawk LT1 350 V8 300 13.5 103.5 MT
1989 Pontiac Trans Am 20th Ann. 3.8L V6 T/C 290 13.5 103 CC
1976 Porsche 911 Turbo Carrera 183 H6 234 13.5 105.3 MT
1970 Pontiac GTO 455 V8 360 13.53 103.51 MCR
1968 Dodge Charger R/T 426 Hemi V8 425 13.54 101 MCR
1968 Plymouth Road Runner 426 Hemi V8 425 13.54 105.1 CD
1973 Pontiac Trans Am 455 V8 290 13.54 104.29 HR
1969 Chevrolet Corvette L88 427 V8 430 13.56 111.1 HR
1968 Ford Mustang 428 V8 CJ 335 13.56 106.6 HR
2006 Aston Martin V8 Vantage 4.3L V8 380 13.6 105.8 CD
2002 BMW M3 convertible 3.2L 6-cyl 333 13.6 103.8 MT
1968 Chevrolet Chevelle SS L78 396 V8 375 13.6 105 PHR
1969 Ford Mustang Boss 429 429 V8 375 13.6 106 HPC
2005 Mercedes-Benz SLK350 3.5L V6 268 13.6 103.3 MT
2003 Panoz Esperante 4.6L V8 320 13.6 105.34 MT
1967 Shelby Mustang GT500 428 V8 CJ 355 13.6 106 CC
1993 Toyota Supra Turbo 3.0L I6 T/C 320 13.6 106 CD
1970 Dodge Challenger R/T 440 V8 6-pack 390 13.62 104.3 CC
2001 Ford SVT F150 Lightning 5.4L V8 S/C 380 13.62 101.16 PM
2002 Jaguar XJR 4.0L V8 S/C 370 13.62 104.21 CD
2004 Pontiac GTO LS1 346 V8 350 13.62 104.78 MT
1970 Ford Torino Cobra 429 V8 SCJ 370 13.63 105.9 SS
1968 Chevrolet Biscayne 427 V8 425 13.65 105 SS
1970 Buick GSX 455 V8 360 13.66 100.2 CC
1995 Ford Mustang Cobra R 351 V8 300 13.67 102.82 MCR
2004 Jaguar S-type R 4.2L V8 S/C 390 13.69 101.31 MT
2004 BMW 645Ci 4.4L V8 325 13.7 102.6 MT
2004 BMW 545i 4.4L V8 325 13.7 102.1 MT
1996 Chevrolet Corvette GS LT4 350 V8 330 13.7 105.1 RT
1964 Dodge Polara 500 426 V8 365 13.7 107.37 HPC
2005 Dodge Ram SRT-10 Quad 8.3L V10 500 13.7 103 MT
1991 Dodge Stealth 3.0L V6 T/C 300 13.7 101 MT
1971 Ferrari Daytona 4.4L V12 352 13.7 104 AM
2006 Lexus IS350 3.5L V6 306 13.7 104 CD
2005 Maserati Quattroporte 4.2L V8 394 13.7 103.4 MT
2006 Mercedes-Benz S550 5.4L V8 382 13.7 102 CD
1969 Plymouth GTX 440 V8 375 13.7 102.8 MT
1969 Dodge Dart 440 V8 375 13.71 105 CC
1971 Plymouth Road Runner 440 6-pack 385 13.71 101.2 CC
1971 Chevrolet Corvette LS6 454 V8 425 13.72 102.04 CC
1971 Plymouth Cuda 440 6-pack 385 13.72 106 SS
1971 Dodge Super Bee 426 Hemi V8 425 13.73 104 MT
1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 428 V8 CJ 335 13.73 102.31 CC
1968 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 302 V8 290 13.75 107 HPF
1962 Dodge Ramcharger 413 V8 410 13.75 106.76 CL
1969 Mercury Cougar Eliminator 428 V8 CJ 335 13.76 102.09 MCR
2004 Nissan 350Z Track 3.5L V6 287 13.77 100.94 MT
1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass (Hurst/Olds) 455 V8 W-30 390 13.77 103.91 SS
1968 Pontiac Firebird 400 V8 335 13.79 106 HR
2004 Porsche Cayenne Turbo 4.5L V8 T/C 450 13.79 102.47 MT
2001 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 LS1 346 V8 310 13.8 108.5 CD
1965 Dodge Coronet 426 Hemi V8 425 13.8 104 CD
1971 Ford Mustang Boss 351 351 V8 330 13.8 104 MT
2001 Ford Mustang Cobra 4.6L V8 320 13.8 103.3 MT
2000 Honda S2000 2.0L I4 240 13.8 100.5 MT
2007 Infiniti G35 3.5L V6 306 13.8 102.7 MT
2001 Jaguar Vanden Plas 4.0L V8 S/C 370 13.8 104.2 MT
2004 Subaru Forester 2.5 XT 2.5L H4 T/C 210 13.8 97 CD
1967 Plymouth Satellite 426 Hemi V8 425 13.81 104 CD
1969 Dodge Coronet R/T 440 V8 375 13.83 102.27 SS
1987 Buick Grand National 3.8L V6 T/C 245 13.85 99 CD
1968 Mercury Cyclone GT 428 V8 CJ 335 13.86 101.69 MT
1969 Chevrolet Nova SS L78 396 V8 375 13.87 105.14 HR
1969 Shelby Mustang GT500 428 V8 CJ 335 13.87 104.52 SS
1969 Mercury Cyclone CJ 428 V8 CJ 335 13.88 101.7 MT
1970 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30 455 V8 370 13.88 95.84 CC
1962 Chevrolet Corvette 327 V8 FI 360 13.89 105.14 HR
2003 Dodge SRT-4 2.4L I4, T/C 215 13.89 101.88 MT
1969 Plymouth Barracuda 440 V8 375 13.89 103.21 SS
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 LS1 346 V8 305 13.9 102.5 RT
2005 Chevrolet SSR LS2 6.0L V8 390 13.9 102.2 MT
1969 Dodge Charger Daytona 426 Hemi V8 425 13.9 101 CD
1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 428 V8 CJ 335 13.9 103.32 CL
2005 Ford Mustang GT conv. 4.6L V8 300 13.9 100.8 MT
2006 Lotus Exige 1.8L I4 190 13.9 99 CD
2003 Nissan 350Z Touring 3.5L V6 287 13.9 102.3 MT
1962 Pontiac Catalina 421 V8 405 13.9 107 MT
1972 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 455 V8 300 13.9 104.6 CD
1969 Pontiac GTO 400 V8 360 13.9 102.8 CL
1970 Pontiac Trans Am 400 V8 345 13.9 102 HR
2002 Porsche 911 Cabriolet 3.6L H6 320 13.9 104.8 MT
1972 Chevrolet Corvette LT1 350 V8 350 13.92 104 HR
1970 Dodge Charger R/T 440 V8 6-pack 390 13.95 101 CC
2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS 2.0L I4 T/C 260 13.99 104 RT
1964 AC / Shelby Cobra 289 V8 271 14 99 SS
2007 Lexus LS460 4.6L V8 380 14 101.2 MT
2006 Mazdaspeed 6 2.3L I4, T/C 274 14 99 CD
2003 Mercedes-Benz CLK500 5.0L V8 302 14 102.5 MT
2006 Mercedes-Benz CLS500 5.0L V8 302 14 99.3 MT
1968 Plymouth GTX convertible 426 Hemi V8 425 14 96.5 CL
1965 Shelby Mustang GT350 289 V8 271 14 92 CL

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: slantzilla]
      #5521065 - Fri Oct 02 2009 06:19 PM

My heart says Mopar my head says chevy.



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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: emarine01]
      #5521066 - Fri Oct 02 2009 06:19 PM

I our neck of the woods,we have some top notch Hemi and Wedge guys and that's what dominated the street and strip scene for many years and still do.Pgh.Pa home of the champion,Steelers,Penguins and Mopars.We also have the loser Pirates and Chevys

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: B G Racing]
      #5521096 - Fri Oct 02 2009 06:29 PM

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We also have the loser Pirates and Chevys




Bob that is some funny you know what

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: B G Racing]
      #5521110 - Fri Oct 02 2009 06:34 PM

Here is my chevy would make more power.There is just so much more available parts for the chevy.Now lets make a better comparison.396 chevelle vs a 383 r.r.close to the same advertised h.p..car weight is close.What you think??You want to compare the ls6,A closer rival would be a max wedge.Even A better comparison that I would like to see is an apple- apple test.take a 440 and a 454,build them the same.Comp. ratio,cam size,intake,carb, etc.basicly same modification to both engines,I think the mopar would come out on top.Anyone board with some engines laying around

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: B G Racing]
      #5521118 - Fri Oct 02 2009 06:36 PM

1968 Dodge S/S Hemi Dart 426 Hemi V8 525 ** 10.5 129 MCR
1968 Plymouth S/S Barracuda 426 Hemi V8 525 ** 10.5 130 MCR
1963 Dodge Ramcharger 426 V8 425 12 117 MCR
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 LS6 346 V8 405 12.29 116 CD
1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 427 V8 430 12.76 107 MCR
1967 Chevrolet Corvette L71 427 V8 435 12.9 111 CI
1969 Plymouth Road Runner 440 V8 6-pack 390 12.91 111.8 SS
1970 Plymouth Cuda 440 V8 6-pack 390 13 105.74 MCR
1970 Dodge Challenger SE 426 Hemi V8 425 13.1 107.12 CC
1970 Plymouth Cuda 426 Hemi V8 425 13.1 107.12 CC
1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS LS6 454 V8 450 13.12 107.01 CC
1971 Chevrolet Corvette LS6 454 V8 425 13.72 102.04 CC
1970 Buick GS Stage 1 455 V8 360 13.38 105.5 MT
1969 Dodge Super Bee 440 V8 6-pack 390 13.46 103.02 MCR
1969 Dodge Charger 500 426 Hemi V8 425 13.48 109 HR



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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: SleDgIE]
      #5521120 - Fri Oct 02 2009 06:37 PM

You mean the 68 Hemi dart was beat by a $1,600,000.00 pig Bugatti? They probably turned the A/C off.

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: Lil Wedge]
      #5521225 - Fri Oct 02 2009 07:23 PM

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I knew a couple of ls6 chevelles that would beat a big block mopar and your unbeatable hemi no problem.. I had a 69 442 400-360 hp with 3.73 gears, started out stock about 14.30's and with a little work got to run consistant 13.80's on "real" street tires, and I felt like KING KONG. I could whack about anything I raced on the streets, 440 GTX's 396 Chevelles,Novas and Camaros, Cobra Jets, Didn't matter, until I ran a Hemi Orange 6 Pack Super Bee and He made a believer of me . I said "I'm a gonna get me one of them there Mopars without hood hinges" and I did, but mine was Green. With a small amount of work, the 6 packs would run deep in the 12's. Probably the best "Factory Street Racer" there was. These cars held the National records in their classes back in the day, before all the factoring crap and "replacement parts" they allow to brand x today in Stock. lol




i really dont think there was a big block chevy in the country that was built for the same class that could out run a properly tuned hemi. i have an old friend that used to be sponsored by chrysler and all he ran was the hemi's. he said from the factory he was getting beat by the chevies and he couldnt figure out why. he checked the compression and it was a little under 10.1. he then made an offset bushing for the rod and it pushed the piston up for compression and he said the hemi came alive. he spent countless weekends massaging the pistons to exactly fit the head and a few other tricks and no chevy could beat him in his class. but my question is about big block wedge motors. a freind just built a 550 chevy using factory block and factory oval port heads and it made 758 hp. can a wedge motor do that is what i want to know. he said no way a mopar can make that kind of power with factory heads. i would love to prove him wrong.


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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: emarine01]
      #5521238 - Fri Oct 02 2009 07:27 PM

I know it's one of basically none, but there is a true, factory ZL-1 corvette around here that was a Gulf oil research car. It's owned by a gentleman named John Mahr.

I don't know of a stock mopar big or small block that could touch that car.

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: prostock]
      #5521274 - Fri Oct 02 2009 07:38 PM

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I know it's one of basically none, but there is a true, factory ZL-1 corvette around here that was a Gulf oil research car. It's owned by a gentleman named John Mahr.

I don't know of a stock mopar big or small block that could touch that car.




1968 Dodge S/S Hemi Dart 426 Hemi V8 525 ** 10.5 129 MCR
1968 Plymouth S/S Barracuda 426 Hemi V8 525 ** 10.5 130 MCR
1969 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray ZL1 427 V8 430 ** 10.89 130 MT


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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: prostock]
      #5521297 - Fri Oct 02 2009 07:45 PM

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I know it's one of basically none, but there is a true, factory ZL-1 corvette around here that was a Gulf oil research car. It's owned by a gentleman named John Mahr.

I don't know of a stock mopar big or small block that could touch that car.




so you are saying that car can and did beat factory hemi superstock cars? there is no way that car could do that. i would have to see it to believe it.


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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: moparmafia]
      #5521304 - Fri Oct 02 2009 07:48 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I knew a couple of ls6 chevelles that would beat a big block mopar and your unbeatable hemi no problem.. I had a 69 442 400-360 hp with 3.73 gears, started out stock about 14.30's and with a little work got to run consistant 13.80's on "real" street tires, and I felt like KING KONG. I could whack about anything I raced on the streets, 440 GTX's 396 Chevelles,Novas and Camaros, Cobra Jets, Didn't matter, until I ran a Hemi Orange 6 Pack Super Bee and He made a believer of me . I said "I'm a gonna get me one of them there Mopars without hood hinges" and I did, but mine was Green. With a small amount of work, the 6 packs would run deep in the 12's. Probably the best "Factory Street Racer" there was. These cars held the National records in their classes back in the day, before all the factoring crap and "replacement parts" they allow to brand x today in Stock. lol




i really dont think there was a big block chevy in the country that was built for the same class that could out run a properly tuned hemi. i have an old friend that used to be sponsored by chrysler and all he ran was the hemi's. he said from the factory he was getting beat by the chevies and he couldnt figure out why. he checked the compression and it was a little under 10.1. he then made an offset bushing for the rod and it pushed the piston up for compression and he said the hemi came alive. he spent countless weekends massaging the pistons to exactly fit the head and a few other tricks and no chevy could beat him in his class. but my question is about big block wedge motors. a freind just built a 550 chevy using factory block and factory oval port heads and it made 758 hp. can a wedge motor do that is what i want to know. he said no way a mopar can make that kind of power with factory heads. i would love to prove him wrong.


Well I do know a guy up hear that made 750 with a set of 63 MW heads. My buddy actually owned them for a while, but never used them. Then there was the engine masters deal ,I think Hughes? or indy built a 740 horse deal.... but that was only 440 cubes...
If I built a 550 that made 750,....I wouldn't be bragging.

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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: prostock]
      #5521341 - Fri Oct 02 2009 08:08 PM

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I know it's one of basically none, but there is a true, factory ZL-1 corvette around here that was a Gulf oil research car. It's owned by a gentleman named John Mahr.

I don't know of a stock mopar big or small block that could touch that car.




I'm pretty sure thats the one I saw run 14's at the old Keystone... He said it would go 9's if he would really get on it


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Re: what is faster big block chevy or mopar? [Re: prostock]
      #5521361 - Fri Oct 02 2009 08:16 PM

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I know it's one of basically none, but there is a true, factory ZL-1 corvette around here that was a Gulf oil research car. It's owned by a gentleman named John Mahr.

I don't know of a stock mopar big or small block that could touch that car.




This is interesting I have own a number of vette's over the years and currently have a 2005 so I do know something about them.
They claim there where only 2 factory built ZL1's ever produced 1 is owned by Roger Judski of Roger's Corvette's here Maitland Fl and it is very well documented.
He has tried to track down number 2 and there was someone on the west coast that claimed to have it and it was a basket case but when Roger checked it out they could not produce any documentation on the car so he passed on it.
There where a number of vette's that had a ZL1 installed in them but not at the factory.

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