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Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!!
      #4729285 - Sat Oct 04 2008 01:41 PM

This is some very sad news.

Keith Black Racing Engines for sale


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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: ]
      #4729306 - Sat Oct 04 2008 02:05 PM

That sux

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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: Lil Demon]
      #4729327 - Sat Oct 04 2008 02:25 PM

Sad news for sure, and I expect to see a lot more of this in the coming years; the economy, our country has been Enroned.

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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: mark_gates]
      #4729414 - Sat Oct 04 2008 03:28 PM

No that doesnt look good

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blownEFI
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: ]
      #4729544 - Sat Oct 04 2008 05:09 PM

They were so busy last year it took six months to deliver my block

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SKR8PN
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Reged: Jan 20 2003
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: blownEFI]
      #4729585 - Sat Oct 04 2008 05:44 PM

Reckon I need to get my KB oil pump and few rebuild kits ordered this week. Man this sux big time. These guys bust their kiesters to provide unmatched customer service.
I am majorly bummed about this.....

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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: ]
      #4729586 - Sat Oct 04 2008 05:44 PM

Now what will 440 Source do for pistons?

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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: SKR8PN]
      #4729595 - Sat Oct 04 2008 05:47 PM

that's about par for the course...picked up my block last week now they're heading towards closing the doors.

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thecarfarmer
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: copchaser]
      #4729610 - Sat Oct 04 2008 05:58 PM

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Now what will 440 Source do for pistons?




I think Silvolite manufactured them, not Black. I've been involved in downsizing/rightsizing/layoffs/closures (although luckily not as the owner... ) and it's no good for anyone. Not the owner, the investors, or the employees.

Hopefully someone will be able to step up and provide an influx of capital that will see the company through this time without bastardizing one of the icons of the industry.

-bill

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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: copchaser]
      #4729624 - Sat Oct 04 2008 06:04 PM

Quote:

Now what will 440 Source do for pistons?


United Engine and Machine makes the KB line of pistons along with the Silvolite brand

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SKR8PN
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Reged: Jan 20 2003
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: thecarfarmer]
      #4729733 - Sat Oct 04 2008 07:05 PM

Quote:



Hopefully someone will be able to step up and provide an influx of capital that will see the company through this time without bastardizing one of the icons of the industry.

-bill





I wish I was rich instead of so darn good lookin'.......I'd buy that company in a heartbeat.

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hemi_doug
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: SKR8PN]
      #4729888 - Sat Oct 04 2008 08:09 PM

Sounds to me like the Bank pulled their credit line.....

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Al_AlguireModerator
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: Lil Demon]
      #4730449 - Sun Oct 05 2008 08:32 AM

Do the fuel guys even run KB blocks anymore???? I would guess with all the money thrown at drag racing the last few years that some teams may even make their own billet blocks these days..Just curious if anyone knows the answer.

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jamesc
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: Al_Alguire]
      #4730544 - Sun Oct 05 2008 09:15 AM

i could be wrong but i "thought" billet blocks were required in fuel classes. i believe there are a few different sources for billet blocks.

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Al_AlguireModerator
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: jamesc]
      #4730550 - Sun Oct 05 2008 09:17 AM

Guess that was my point...If no one but guys like us run KB blocks seems like it may be a hard sell to unload the company and hope they remain a viable company. Truly sad news as I am in the same boat as you James with a new KB block as well..

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Bigcube
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Reged: Nov 12 2003
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: Al_Alguire]
      #4730573 - Sun Oct 05 2008 09:28 AM

I guess I need to order a few of the side seals for the rear cap

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The Stig Jr
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: jamesc]
      #4730617 - Sun Oct 05 2008 09:41 AM

Quote:

i could be wrong but i "thought" billet blocks were required in fuel classes. i believe there are a few different sources for billet blocks.



Very sad news
I know Tim at FHO had a KB billet block in his shop no too long ago.

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40ford
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: ]
      #4730669 - Sun Oct 05 2008 10:06 AM

That is truly sad if it is true. Obviously, either what they are making isn't selling or can't make what is selling.

As a small businessman involved in manufacturing, there could be many reasons why this is happening---lack of profit, lack of sales, cost too high, the wrong location to manufacture(happens a lot today) or it could be something as simple as the family doesn't want to do it any longer!

I hope at least the name/product line can continue.


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Bob_Coomer
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: ]
      #4730800 - Sun Oct 05 2008 11:20 AM

Quote:

with the long wait for blocks you'd think business was booming .




I think that has something to do with it . I'm not sure what the problem is...But to wait that long, I'M sure hurt business some...I know due to the wait, I have a Indy block between the frame rails


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dartman366
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Reged: Jan 18 2004
Loc: Mt. Vernon, Ohio
Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: 40ford]
      #4730825 - Sun Oct 05 2008 11:35 AM

Quote:

That is truly sad if it is true. Obviously, either what they are making isn't selling or can't make what is selling.

As a small businessman involved in manufacturing, there could be many reasons why this is happening---lack of profit, lack of sales, cost too high, the wrong location to manufacture(happens a lot today) or it could be something as simple as the family doesn't want to do it any longer!

I hope at least the name/product line can continue.


altho I will never have the oportunity to buy one, I hate to hear of another auto sport's Icon leave the bussiness, I hope that someone will step up and help pull this company back together before it's too late.

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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: dartman366]
      #4730867 - Sun Oct 05 2008 12:06 PM

i bet indy and world are loving the news though'.
i hate to hear this again. it seems as though we are hearing this over and over again and we will hear this alot more in the near future.


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smokinwoody
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: ]
      #4730882 - Sun Oct 05 2008 12:19 PM

they were making other type blocks..not just mopars..

I think they needed better marketing and reduced prices to get that company jump started..

when you see DART advertisements or BRODIX,they show their new blocks,heads,intakes and whatever else they have to offer..

whens the last time Keith black,outside of their piston line,actualy showed new items or had new items...seems the products they have just ran their course and not enough to keep their doors open...

whom ever buys out the company,hopfuly will offer new items with quality control of its namesake..

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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: smokinwoody]
      #4730906 - Sun Oct 05 2008 12:35 PM

Sign of the times. You no worry, some Asian country make brock fo you.

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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: ]
      #4731234 - Sun Oct 05 2008 03:56 PM

that's really bad news. it'll be a shame to lose the only true Race block capable of handling "serious" horsepower.
does anyone else offer anything with comparable features?
you know what i mean,things that really matter, not just an aluminum base block.
Billit steel caps
finished lifter bores in the size and angle of your choice
1/2" head studs
double cross bolted center mains
standard or raised cam with choice of bearing size
unparalled customer service

it seems like everything else available is okay for the average N/A or "mild" boost combo (1000-1500hp) but lacks plenty for a serious (1500+)engine combo.
we have nobody to blame but ourselves.


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DefbobAdministrator
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Reged: Nov 27 2004
Loc: Norwich CT USA
Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: ]
      #4731260 - Sun Oct 05 2008 04:11 PM Attachment (140 downloads)

Quote:

that's really bad news. it'll be a shame to lose the only true Race block capable of handling "serious" horsepower.
does anyone else offer anything with comparable features?
you know what i mean,things that really matter, not just an aluminum base block.
Billit steel caps
finished lifter bores in the size and angle of your choice
1/2" head studs
double cross bolted center mains
standard or raised cam with choice of bearing size
unparalled customer service

it seems like everything else available is okay for the average N/A or "mild" boost combo (1000-1500hp) but lacks plenty for a serious (1500+)engine combo.
we have nobody to blame but ourselves.




HP Performance Block

But I am disappointed to see Keith Black close. They made awesome parts and blocks. They're blocks were tried and true 2500hp capable blocks, even the street versions

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70 Cutlass S Twin Turbo something...
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B1Fish540
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Reged: Sep 04 2008
Loc: Flint, Michigan
Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: Defbob]
      #4731281 - Sun Oct 05 2008 04:17 PM

Quote:

Quote:

that's really bad news. it'll be a shame to lose the only true Race block capable of handling "serious" horsepower.
does anyone else offer anything with comparable features?
you know what i mean,things that really matter, not just an aluminum base block.
Billit steel caps
finished lifter bores in the size and angle of your choice
1/2" head studs
double cross bolted center mains
standard or raised cam with choice of bearing size
unparalled customer service

it seems like everything else available is okay for the average N/A or "mild" boost combo (1000-1500hp) but lacks plenty for a serious (1500+)engine combo.
we have nobody to blame but ourselves.




HP Performance Block

But I am disappointed to see Keith Black close. They made awesome parts and blocks. They're blocks were tried and true 2500hp capable blocks, even the street versions




The Koffel/Koleno blocks are stout pieces, as well.

This could be one reason they are going out of business, Dram, there are alot of block choices now. The World blocks and the Indy have probably cut into their business, as well.

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Rapid588
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Reged: Jan 21 2003
Loc: Boynton Beach, Fl
Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: ]
      #4731303 - Sun Oct 05 2008 04:23 PM

Arias has been making a similar Mopar based Hemi block to the KB that includes short, regular, and tall water blocks with raised cam and a lot of other options.

website http://www.nickariasjr.com/forsale.html

Here is their description of the block:
" 426 Hemi Block "
Introducing the all new AA-500 Aluminum Block, a direct replacement fo your 426 Hemi. Many Fuel and Alcohol combinations can be manufactured.
Revised, proven oiling systems.
Outboard front/rear studs aid head stud retention.
1/2 inch or 9/16 inch head studs.
Re-designed internal coring and ribbing dramatically
increases strength and stability.
Standard or raised cam location.
Short, standard or high deck water or solid.
Short deck (.500) water blocks available.
Four -bolt front main.
"Y" block with four side bolts per cap.


PRI

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DefbobAdministrator
TaterSalad


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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: Rapid588]
      #4731343 - Sun Oct 05 2008 04:35 PM

Quote:

Arias has been making a similar Mopar based Hemi block to the KB that includes short, regular, and tall water blocks with raised cam and a lot of other options.

website http://www.nickariasjr.com/forsale.html

Here is their description of the block:
" 426 Hemi Block "
Introducing the all new AA-500 Aluminum Block, a direct replacement fo your 426 Hemi. Many Fuel and Alcohol combinations can be manufactured.
Revised, proven oiling systems.
Outboard front/rear studs aid head stud retention.
1/2 inch or 9/16 inch head studs.
Re-designed internal coring and ribbing dramatically
increases strength and stability.
Standard or raised cam location.
Short, standard or high deck water or solid.
Short deck (.500) water blocks available.
Four -bolt front main.
"Y" block with four side bolts per cap.


PRI




But there blocks have no cooling to the heads and missing three head bolts

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70 Cutlass S Twin Turbo something...
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: ]
      #4731416 - Sun Oct 05 2008 05:12 PM

what is the true cost and availability of the other blocks mentioned? also, what options do they have.
i know the world block is really just a glorified replacement block with limited options. pretty much the same for the Indy block.


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DV8
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: ]
      #4731444 - Sun Oct 05 2008 05:25 PM

Quote:

what is the true cost and availability of the other blocks mentioned? also, what options do they have.
i know the world block is really just a glorified replacement block with limited options. pretty much the same for the Indy block.




I agree 1000%!!! You never see any good used KB water blocks for sale compared to others who have been around way less than half the time...


Steve

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DefbobAdministrator
TaterSalad


Reged: Nov 27 2004
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: ]
      #4731482 - Sun Oct 05 2008 05:42 PM

Quote:

what is the true cost and availability of the other blocks mentioned? also, what options do they have.
i know the world block is really just a glorified replacement block with limited options. pretty much the same for the Indy block.




My block is currently only one of a few. and almost everything else is limited as well. I was hoping to beable to buy a KB block in the future when I build my next motor

The KB block was so versatile

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71 Challenger Convertible 11.54 @ 116
70 Cutlass S Twin Turbo something...
68 Kaiser M715
68 Kaiser M725


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B1CUDA
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Reged: Jan 22 2003
Loc: Orange County, Ca.
Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: hemi_doug]
      #4731497 - Sun Oct 05 2008 05:46 PM

Quote:

Sounds to me like the Bank pulled their credit line.....




You apparently have no idea as to what you are saying. The entire Black family are very close friends of my family, and I take offense to a flatout STUPID comment by someone that is just throwing out a comment, just to do it. Not cool at all. If you knew these people on a personal level, you would NEVER say or think of anything in a negative fashion, regarding the entire KB Racing company.


For those of you that are not into making comments like the one above, KB Racing has been for sale for quite some time, in a private, word of mouth fashion. With the hit on the economy, foundry prices going sky high, etc., etc., Ken has had to make some very difficult decisions. Let me tell you, this is killing him, as he has worked very hard over the years, to carry on the great tradition and products that his legendary father created. Very, very sad.

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SKR8PN
I am so old that I fart dust.


Reged: Jan 20 2003
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: B1CUDA]
      #4731576 - Sun Oct 05 2008 06:18 PM

I can just imagine this is hurting the entire KB family. Unless you have dealt with them, you have no idea just how customer oriented they are. The product and the customer service is second to none. Period.
I wish I had the funds to keep this business (KB) running just the way it is......I'd do it in heartbeat....and I have yet to meet ANYONE from this company face to face.

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AndyF
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: ]
      #4731933 - Sun Oct 05 2008 08:09 PM

I was getting ready to order up a low deck block for a new project. Hopefully Ken is still selling blocks.

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blairboy3
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: B1CUDA]
      #4732093 - Sun Oct 05 2008 08:58 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Sounds to me like the Bank pulled their credit line.....




You apparently have no idea as to what you are saying. The entire Black family are very close friends of my family, and I take offense to a flatout STUPID comment by someone that is just throwing out a comment, just to do it. Not cool at all. If you knew these people on a personal level, you would NEVER say or think of anything in a negative fashion, regarding the entire KB Racing company.


For those of you that are not into making comments like the one above, KB Racing has been for sale for quite some time, in a private, word of mouth fashion. With the hit on the economy, foundry prices going sky high, etc., etc., Ken has had to make some very difficult decisions. Let me tell you, this is killing him, as he has worked very hard over the years, to carry on the great tradition and products that his legendary father created. Very, very sad.




Take it easy there B1Cuda... I don't think there was anything bad meant by his statement.

A lot of companies have lines of credit to help them through slow seasons. And a lot of banks have been pulling those lines of credit- not because of any wrong doing on the part of the account holder, but because the banks are afraid to let anymore bad credit affect their bottom line. I had one w/ Washington Mutual. When I started hearing about the problems WM was having, I pulled all the cash out of my line of credit. Sure enough... less than a week later WM had closed ALL lines of credit. Now, it's just a 15yr fixed rate loan on what I pulled out.

Anyways, whether or not that is the case w/ KB, it was a possible reason for why they couldn't keep things going.

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dirtybee
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Reged: Apr 14 2007
Loc: Toronto, Canada
Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: B1CUDA]
      #4732158 - Sun Oct 05 2008 09:23 PM

i don't think that comment was meant as a hit toward KB, just an educated guess due to the fact that this is what the banks are doing now to many companies, regardless of their situation. if it's not the case then that's great, i would hate if KB didn't continue.

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sunroofgtx
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Re: Keith Black Engines possibly closing the doors!!!! [Re: ]
      #4732249 - Sun Oct 05 2008 10:29 PM

Quote:

what is the true cost and availability of the other blocks mentioned? also, what options do they have.
i know the world block is really just a glorified replacement block with limited options. pretty much the same for the Indy block.




I think Hemi's and aluminum's are done or very soon ! http://www.b1heads.com/pdf/Koffels_block.pdf


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