mickm
mopar addict
Reged: Jul 26 2006
Loc: California
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car hasn't been started for 2 weeks or so, and fired it up today. i first shot about 3 seconds of starter fluid in each carb, as the gas tends to evaporate from the eddies.
when it started it ran really rough, like a couple of cylinders weren't firing. blew a lot of smoke out the tail pipe, bluish. i let it run for about 10 seconds or so, and shut it off. waited a minute or so and started it up, and it did the same thing.
shut if off again, and went and stood behind the car, and could really smell the starter fluid.
started it up again, and it ran rough for a bit, and then calmed down. saw on the drip pan on the floor a big spot of blackish, watery soot, that i saw the last time it did this, quite a while ago.
what causes the engine to load up like that after just sitting for a couple of weeks? has only done this once before.
was it too much starter fluid???
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stumpy
hi.
Reged: Jan 19 2003
Loc: Grand Prairie Texas
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Starter fluid is bad on a motor. It creates a detonation and possibly a blown head gasket. It's a lot better to crank it until it starts and make sure the choke is working right.
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DAYCLONA
Look At Me! Look At Me!
Reged: Dec 10 2007
Loc: Mass
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If you have a bowl vent line on the carb, your best off using a small "squeeze" bottle with gasoline to prime the bowl(s) thru the line or vent,....I do this on my sixpack cars if they sit for sometime 
Mike
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mickm
mopar addict
Reged: Jul 26 2006
Loc: California
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Quote:
Starter fluid is bad on a motor. It creates a detonation and possibly a blown head gasket. It's a lot better to crank it until it starts and make sure the choke is working right.
hmmmm..... didn't know that. i'm glad i posted about this.
starter fluid goes in the trash.
or maybe i'll use the rest with a lighter like we used to do with cans of hair spray when we were kids!!! that'll make my 7 year old jump! 
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mickm
mopar addict
Reged: Jul 26 2006
Loc: California
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but does anyone think the starter fluid is why it was so loaded up??
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MoparforLife
moparts member
Reged: Jan 19 2003
Loc: Upper Midwest
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I don't know what you are caklling loaded up?? It is very common to have water coming out of the exhaust. Condesation is a natural occurance in an engine. The cooler more humid the conditions the more water is created. That is not a worry. It is not something new or something that has happened since the advant of the engine.
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Challenger 1
upgrade my license
Reged: Feb 05 2005
Loc: Cincinnati Ohio
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but does anyone think the starter fluid is why it was so loaded up??
Yes, it sure didn't help.
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70Cuda383
Kaptain Kuda
Reged: Oct 07 2003
Loc: Marysville, O-H-I-O
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sounds to me like it was just running rough because you didn't have fuel in the bowls yet, and it was a cold motor. the water is nothing to worry about. gasoline combustion is a really simple process: in a perfect burn, you have Hydro-Carbons from the gasoline burning with the O2 in the atmosphere to create CO2 and H2O, or, carbon dioxide and water.
now, with the air being 80% nitrogen, you're going to also get NOx molecules, which will steal oxygen from the CO2 molecules, and you'll end up with carbon monoxide as well as carbon dioxide.
bottom line...moisture is a natural byproduct of an internal combustion engine. this is why it's NOT a good idea to start your engine "every 2 weeks while in storage" because all you're doing is filling your crankcase and exhaust with steam...which will then condense into water, rotting your exhaust from the inside out, and mixing water with the oil in your crankcase. Do not start your car unless you plan to drive it for 15-20 minutes to get everything fully warmed up.
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mickm
mopar addict
Reged: Jul 26 2006
Loc: California
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... Do not start your car unless you plan to drive it for 15-20 minutes to get everything fully warmed up.
thanks for the info, makes sense.
and it was started for a long 3 hour drive up the coast, so it got plenty warm 
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mickm
mopar addict
Reged: Jul 26 2006
Loc: California
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I don't know what you are caklling loaded up?? It is very common to have water coming out of the exhaust. Condesation is a natural occurance in an engine.
don't know if that is the best term for it, but as i described, running very rough, didn't want to rev easily, and spitting a lot of smoke out the back. probably within a total of 1 minute running, completely cleared up...
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radar
enthusiast
Reged: Jul 27 2007
Loc: Philadelphia
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You don't need 3 seconds of ether to start it! If it is in good shape, just put a tablespoon of gas down one of the carbs. This will give it enough to crank, sputter and die if the fuel bowls are empty. one or two more crank ups and the pump should have the bowls full enough to start and keep cranking. You might benefit from a small electric pump you can switch on to fill the bowls if you don't drive much, that way you can just turn it on for 15 secs, turn it off, press the gas a couple times to squirt some gas, and go.
Ether is not necessary, but keep it around in case you really can't get started. In that case, you want to spray just a second and open the throttle all the way up to let the gas get sucked in. It won't run on ether (unless you keep spraying- BAD idea) but if you can't get it to even cough or burp ether can be a good check to see if it is a fuel problem because if you have compression and spark ether WILL fire, even with poor conditions. Also ether is good for cleaning parts. Just be careful it is super explosive and evaporates fast.
Also, too much ether and a slightly off timing can make a nice fire in the intake/carb if it pops off a little backfire. Be careful and stop shooting so much ether!
Kevin
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repad
super street
Reged: May 15 2004
Loc: N.E Indiana
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When you say a lot of smoke out the back. You need to try to determine the cause of the smoke. Is it burnt fuel, oil or coolant? If its fuel, could be a choke/carb issue, if its oil, I would begin by looking at the valve seals, if its coolant, might be a head gasket.
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MoparforLife
moparts member
Reged: Jan 19 2003
Loc: Upper Midwest
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From experience like above I would say that his smoke is a result of the eather/fuel/cold engine/fuel atomiztion. Not a big thing. It cleared up as the mixture stabilized the way it sounds.
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mickm
mopar addict
Reged: Jul 26 2006
Loc: California
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From experience like above I would say that his smoke is a result of the eather/fuel/cold engine/fuel atomiztion. Not a big thing. It cleared up as the mixture stabilized the way it sounds.
that's kind of what i thought. valve seats are fresh by a very reputable head guy, so that isn't an issue.
doesn't do this at all on normal start up, even when cold. and again, i could really smell the ether when i stood behind the car.
the ether is out the door, i'll keep a small container of gas around for when there is nothing in the carbs...
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JohnRR
WAA-ambulance chaser
Reged: Jan 20 2003
Loc: U.S.S.A.
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Starter fluid is bad on a motor. It creates a detonation and possibly a blown head gasket. It's a lot better to crank it until it starts and make sure the choke is working right.
hmmmm..... didn't know that. i'm glad i posted about this.
starter fluid goes in the trash.
or maybe i'll use the rest with a lighter like we used to do with cans of hair spray when we were kids!!! that'll make my 7 year old jump!
It has to do also with you spraying for 3 seconds in each carb , which I assume you did the last time it happened also ??? That's WAY TOO MUCH , a small shot in the rear carb would have got it to fire , but I like Dayclonas idea of filling the bowl thru the vent .
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mickm
mopar addict
Reged: Jul 26 2006
Loc: California
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Quote:
... it to fire , but I like Dayclonas idea of filling the bowl thru the vent .
me too. i just wasn't aware of either how little of that was needed, and also that it isn't really good for the engine.
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"the orange fun car" 472 Hemi 4 speed 3:54 dana
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MoparforLife
moparts member
Reged: Jan 19 2003
Loc: Upper Midwest
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Starting fluid is very dry and has a drying effect along with being highly flammable making it a touchy thing to play with. Have seen some nasty backfires.
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radar
enthusiast
Reged: Jul 27 2007
Loc: Philadelphia
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I keep a coke can with the top cut off at an angle around as a homemade tool for carb work. When I'm changing jets I pull the top bolts off the bowl first to let air in, then pull a bottom bolt and use the angled can to catch the fuel.
I cut the can at an angle so that it fits good under the bowl to catch most of the gas and also so I can pinch the top a little and make a sharp pitcher out of it. If you go slow it is pretty easy to fill the bowl back up and if you mark the can with a scratch you can remember how much you need to put in to fill a bowl.
Of course now I have an electric pump so I can just turn the ign on for 15 secs once or twice and she's topped off, but for jet changes I still sometimes pour the gas back in the carb instead of trying not to spill it on the 1/4 trying to put it in the gas tank.
Or if you put it in the driveway and light it it will burn for way longer than you think...
be safe
Kevin
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