wingman
Lint...a distant cousin of Fluffy
Reged: Jun 23 2004
Loc: St. Charles, MO
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My Mom in-law is wanting to clean out the old chicken house that is falling in. Lookie what's in the back corner.  Not sure how we're gonna get them out though...
I don't know too much about early Hemis. Any good sources/sites for info? Looking for the usual...casting numbers, how to I tell what year and displacement, etc.
They've all been sitting for a while, but 2 of them are still bolted together. The one with the six carbs (Stombergs?) looks interesting.
Any input? What do I do whith them???
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1970 FC7 Plymouth Road Runner
Cameron: Ferris, my father loves this car more than life itself!
Ferris: A man with priorities so far out of whack doesn't deserve such a fine automobile.
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wingman
Lint...a distant cousin of Fluffy
Reged: Jun 23 2004
Loc: St. Charles, MO
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#2
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1970 FC7 Plymouth Road Runner
Cameron: Ferris, my father loves this car more than life itself!
Ferris: A man with priorities so far out of whack doesn't deserve such a fine automobile.
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wingman
Lint...a distant cousin of Fluffy
Reged: Jun 23 2004
Loc: St. Charles, MO
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#3
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1970 FC7 Plymouth Road Runner
Cameron: Ferris, my father loves this car more than life itself!
Ferris: A man with priorities so far out of whack doesn't deserve such a fine automobile.
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black64
enthusiast
Reged: Feb 12 2007
Loc: michigan
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You have quite the find there. Go to Hot Heads web site there is ID info there and also you can get an idea of what they are selling for on there swap meet, There is a number stamped just in front of the lifter valley cover which would tell you what you have there. The six carb manifolds are worth good money as well as the chrysler engines with the 354 and 392 the most desirable engines.
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4speeds4me
master
Reged: Jan 20 2003
Loc: Sicamous, BC, Canada
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The Chrysler Firepower valve covers should only be on the 354/392's, so one of those for sure is quite desireable. I couldn't tell with the others...
Good find!
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Good-bye musclecars...hello 1956 Dodge 2-door Sedan and 1946 Nash Coupe!
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moparx
master
Reged: Sep 03 2003
Loc: north of coder
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goodfind ! make sure those get outa there and into your garage ! 
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shinnery
super street
Reged: Sep 07 2003
Loc: Hawley, Texas
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An interesting book, if you can find a copy, is "Tex Smith's The Complete Chrysler Hemi Engine Manual" by Ron Ceridono. The copy I have was reprinted in 2004 so it should be around easily.
Bryce
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dodgedifferent2
member
Reged: Jan 16 2007
Loc: South western, Ontario
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performance automotive warehouse aka PAW sells alot of early hemi parts as well.
id them first through hot heads ... or http://www.geocities.com/dodgedifferent2/hemiid.html
also www.thehemi.com another great forum for hemi information .. new and old and things in between
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bbtrux
super gas
Reged: May 03 2004
Loc: ohio
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did 331's get chrysler firepower covers also?just asking,as i had always just assumed,i guess.
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4speeds4me
master
Reged: Jan 20 2003
Loc: Sicamous, BC, Canada
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I got to thinking afterwards that the 331's probably did too...
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Good-bye musclecars...hello 1956 Dodge 2-door Sedan and 1946 Nash Coupe!
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70Cuda383
Kaptain Kuda
Reged: Oct 07 2003
Loc: Marysville, O-H-I-O
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my biggest question is...how did your mother-in-law have 3 hemi's in her chicken coop, and you didn't know about it until just now? or did you just get married? I'm picturing you as someone who's been married for 5-10, maybe even 15 years already, and mom-in-law is getting old and started asking questions about getting the place cleaned up now that she's getting older, in preparation of moving into a retirement home.
I know exactly what my mother in law has at her house, and while it's not a Mopar, it's definitly a desireable vehicle!
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wingman
Lint...a distant cousin of Fluffy
Reged: Jun 23 2004
Loc: St. Charles, MO
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my biggest question is...how did your mother-in-law have 3 hemi's in her chicken coop, and you didn't know about it until just now?
OK, you got me! I've known they were in there for some time, but I was never really able to get back to them due to many generations of accumulated farm "stuff" that was piled in front/on top of them. But recently the ancient roof has started to fall in, so any thing of value has to come out soon. (Trust me, the three Hemis are about the only things of value in the whole building.)
That, and I was not really in a big hurry to get them out since I still really know what I'm gonna do with them. 
Anyway, here's the decodes for those who are interested:
#1 C542-8-33831 is a 331 from a (late) 1954 New Yorker. It cam with the 4bbl and 7.5:1. It does NOT have the cast-in bell.
#2 C52-8-3043 is a 331 from a 1952 Chrysler. It origially had a 2bbl but now has the 6 Strombergs and twin-log manifold. It does have the cast-in bell though. 
#3 NE 5520697 is a 331 from a 1955 New Yorker. It originally had a 4bbl and had the higher 8.5:1 compression. This one's in pieces, though and is a little rougher.
Thanks for all your help!!!
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1970 FC7 Plymouth Road Runner
Cameron: Ferris, my father loves this car more than life itself!
Ferris: A man with priorities so far out of whack doesn't deserve such a fine automobile.
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mopowertim
super gas
Reged: Aug 18 2003
Loc: Asheboro NC
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Sell them to me!!
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If you can't outrun it-Outlaw it! The King
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dogdays
moparts member
Reged: Jan 20 2003
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The later engines are more valuable but the early 331 with the cast-on doghouse can adapt to a 4-speed with a Wilcap (i think) adapter. The early engine doesn't have as good of heads as the later two but who knows that? Around here you'd be asking $500 for the doghouse and $750 for the 4-barrel, $1250 for the "hot rod".
That's my guess. It's quite a find and I hope you have a heavy duty trailer or truck. GET THEM OUT OF THERE as fast as you can.
R.
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Robbins
super gas
Reged: May 03 2004
Loc: Carthage, MO USA
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I wouldn't mine finding more early Hemi's like that. That would to cool.
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Lee
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thecarfarmer
mopar addict
Reged: Apr 18 2007
Loc: WA 98043
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That, and I was not really in a big hurry to get them out since I still really know what I'm gonna do with them. ...
You know, there's a warm corner in Hades if you let 'em get away.
-bill
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Quality engine work in the Puget Sound
billn - at - x-actmachine.net
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wingman
Lint...a distant cousin of Fluffy
Reged: Jun 23 2004
Loc: St. Charles, MO
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OK, I know it's been a while since I updated this thread, but the family and I finally got back to the farm to do some more cleaning up.
I climbed in through a window to pull off the top-end stuff (carbs, intakes, distributors) in case something falls on the motors when we are pulling them out.
The motor with the 6 carbs is very interesting--it is a Offenhauser 4062 model manifold. It's in 2 halves which are connected by 2 rubber hoses and hose clamps. I've not seen one like it.
The carbs have a "Holley 2100" marking on them, and also a "94" cast into them. One of the carbs is identical to the others but has a "Ford" cast in where the "Holley 2100" is on the other carbs. Unfortunately, 1 of the 6 is missing. I will dig around some more.
The funny part came in when I pulled the carbs off, the 4 corner carbs had been blocked off by a previous owner--he had cut up some old Falstaff beer cans and sandwiched them between the carbs and intake on all but the center 2 carbs. Also, the linkage was only connected to the center 2.
I guess the power was too much for him!!! 
We're doing some more work today--I will update (hopefully with pics) later.
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1970 FC7 Plymouth Road Runner
Cameron: Ferris, my father loves this car more than life itself!
Ferris: A man with priorities so far out of whack doesn't deserve such a fine automobile.
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76dodgeboy
top fuel
Reged: Aug 20 2006
Loc: Iowa
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The 94s were what ford used on the Flathead. Everyone wants the 97s though. Alot of people block off most of the carbs on a multiple setup from what Ive seen. Its more eye apeal for most and the fact that most dont have the skills to tune them. 
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rabid scott
"You're Where?"
Reged: Aug 22 2006
Loc: Tracy CA
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That is a heckova find!!! WOW!!
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waywardgarage.com
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scratchnfotraction
shadetree hickabilly rabid parts changer
Reged: May 29 2003
Loc: Florida
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Robbins
super gas
Reged: May 03 2004
Loc: Carthage, MO USA
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Lee
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wingman
Lint...a distant cousin of Fluffy
Reged: Jun 23 2004
Loc: St. Charles, MO
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OK, so "Nana's" on-again, off-again sale is on-again. She has a date set around halloween. the farm auction guy comes in a few days.
So that means my wife and got to spend a few more days sorting though tons of junk in the milk barn. I was finally able to get into the chicken house to get the carbs and intake off the motors--since the roof is now near total collapse.
Got a few pics of the carbs and intake (carbs are pretty rough--some of the linkages are siezed  ). Also took a few pics of the old generator, Swiss made (  ) cap, and porcelin Chrysler wires. Note the vintage Falstaff cans... Enjoy!
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1970 FC7 Plymouth Road Runner
Cameron: Ferris, my father loves this car more than life itself!
Ferris: A man with priorities so far out of whack doesn't deserve such a fine automobile.
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wingman
Lint...a distant cousin of Fluffy
Reged: Jun 23 2004
Loc: St. Charles, MO
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1970 FC7 Plymouth Road Runner
Cameron: Ferris, my father loves this car more than life itself!
Ferris: A man with priorities so far out of whack doesn't deserve such a fine automobile.
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wingman
Lint...a distant cousin of Fluffy
Reged: Jun 23 2004
Loc: St. Charles, MO
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Anybody seen one of these? I never knew the Swiss were big hot rodders...
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1970 FC7 Plymouth Road Runner
Cameron: Ferris, my father loves this car more than life itself!
Ferris: A man with priorities so far out of whack doesn't deserve such a fine automobile.
Edited by wingman (Tue Aug 11 2009 08:49 PM)
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wingman
Lint...a distant cousin of Fluffy
Reged: Jun 23 2004
Loc: St. Charles, MO
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Ronco? Where's my pocket fisherman?
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1970 FC7 Plymouth Road Runner
Cameron: Ferris, my father loves this car more than life itself!
Ferris: A man with priorities so far out of whack doesn't deserve such a fine automobile.
Edited by wingman (Tue Aug 11 2009 08:55 PM)
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wingman
Lint...a distant cousin of Fluffy
Reged: Jun 23 2004
Loc: St. Charles, MO
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Mmmmm. Falstaff makes it go faster...
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1970 FC7 Plymouth Road Runner
Cameron: Ferris, my father loves this car more than life itself!
Ferris: A man with priorities so far out of whack doesn't deserve such a fine automobile.
Edited by wingman (Tue Aug 11 2009 08:56 PM)
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wingman
Lint...a distant cousin of Fluffy
Reged: Jun 23 2004
Loc: St. Charles, MO
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1970 FC7 Plymouth Road Runner
Cameron: Ferris, my father loves this car more than life itself!
Ferris: A man with priorities so far out of whack doesn't deserve such a fine automobile.
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wingman
Lint...a distant cousin of Fluffy
Reged: Jun 23 2004
Loc: St. Charles, MO
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1970 FC7 Plymouth Road Runner
Cameron: Ferris, my father loves this car more than life itself!
Ferris: A man with priorities so far out of whack doesn't deserve such a fine automobile.
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413coronet
pro stock
Reged: Jun 26 2005
Loc: Florida
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Anybody seen one of these? I never knew the Swiss were big hot rodders...
Vertex magnetos were a common race item in the 50's. At that time, there was no other available system that delivered as hot a spark at high rpm. Not as good at low rpm as a regular points ignition, but that wasn't a concern for a race car.
Info on the 94 carbs here (scroll down a bit):
http://www.vintagespeed.com/carbs.htm
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mopowertim
super gas
Reged: Aug 18 2003
Loc: Asheboro NC
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wingman check your pm
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If you can't outrun it-Outlaw it! The King
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rdrnr6970
moparts member
Reged: Jan 20 2003
Loc: NJ
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1 might be a 331?and a 354.great carb set up on offy intake!big  money! great finds!
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B5 Bee
master
Reged: Feb 28 2003
Loc: FL
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The 331/354/392 are Whale motors,
the 426 is an Elephant.
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GreggAz
member
Reged: Nov 03 2009
Loc: Phoenix, Az
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you got some good stuff there! you can find more info, and guys who know a bunch about some of those parts at http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5
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