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i hear you, but like it has been said, technology is amazing, 13's with a 1.8 ltr 30+ mpg to me is killer. dont discount them, they r the new muscle like it or not.


goldmember.... wow just cuz i have a car that is my daily driver, everyday i drive it!!! 230k on the odometer... ya ill bring a spoon to a gun fight. [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean]? why dont u get in ur jalopy drive it out hereto california we can meet up at infineon and ill bring my b'cuda. or will ur car not make the drive???? lol
its a daily driver and all im saying is they r quick. no it aint guna beat a 9 sec. whatever but it passes smog, and is using all internally stock parts. lets see a f.a.s.t car do that.... o wait they dont. they r stroked and extrude honed and huge cams and any other trick u can do. if ur talking full on race car why would u even want to race a honda? is "it" that small u gotta try to prove sumthin to ur self?

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If you run 11's and he was just stock with exhaust, you would have smoked him..BUT..there are many fast DSM's and EVO's out there..


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If you run 11's and he was just stock with exhaust, you would have smoked him..BUT..there are many fast DSM's and EVO's out there..


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I always wanted to build on of those Eagle Talon AWD cars.

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I remember when the Talon was going 9's he would drive it to Norwalk that thing would squat so hard on launch....you had to see it ...that car is bad ass

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So , my wifes uncle was in town and he bought some 4 door piece of crap called a Lancer EVO. He asks if I want to get my AAR out and "race a real car". I just laughed at him. I was a good boy and didn't run him (even though there is a very nice long straight stretch in front of my house). It just cracks me up that he thinks his EVO could "blow my doors off".
I wanted to ask him when he was going to grow a set and buy a real car, but I refrained.

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his is stock with a big muffler, so I wasn't worried about it. He must have used the term to me about riding in or racing his "real car" 3 or 4 times in the 1 day that I saw him.

I think 4 doors are for geeks or mommies.just my opinion. I remember that when I was in high school, if you owned a 4 door and thought it was cool, you got laughed at.

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Ever hear of Pure Stock Drags? Mr Six Pack has an A12 car running 12.30s and a Hemi 'Cuda running 11.80s.

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I have to agree(scary isn't it)
Those two cars have to be the 10% of early Mopar muscle that have been tuned to the razor edge.
You have to agree that most of these cars wont run a 13.50 when you see them at the track.Hell I have watched owners of resto cars that wont even hit a 15.0 when they "see what it will do" on the track.
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Ever hear of Pure Stock Drags? Mr Six Pack has an A12 car running 12.30s and a Hemi 'Cuda running 11.80s. Lets see one of your cars do that and spec out to stock blueprint specs. Pure stock cars dont have ported heads with a bunch of epoxy in them to completely change the port shape either.

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I've had enough , some of you guys need to spend more time on ricerracer.com.

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Wonder if this thread would ever been started if they actually raced?

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I think it would have gone something like this...

AAR pulled out on the road and heated up its Quik Time Pros. Evo does a small dry hop. Evo is revving his car to get the boost up. AAR comes up on the converter to about 2800 rpm. Evo is revved up to about 3500 rpm. Starter drops his arms, AAR launches hard with just a wee bit of air under the front tire. Evo hooks good, too, but not as hard. AAR pulls 2 cars right out of the hole. Evo tries to catch up, shifting at 7000 rpms. AAR hits his shift points at 7000 rpms also. AAR is pulling away on the top end. Evo gives up and lets off the gas.
We go back to my house, and I ask, now do you want me to crack open the blue bottle and we go again?

Evo driver goes back to Iowa where he lives and starts searching the classifieds for a Cuda to buy.

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That's what you would HOPE would happen. Guess if it was such a sure thing, you would have RUN HIM. Hmmmm Now see, YOU'RE the one running your mouth...

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i leave first (obviously) and wait for him to catch me. he broke on the starting line (transmission).

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Unfortunately, more often than not, that is what happens.

Just come on down to Etown on a typical Wed. night. Just bring your hardhat so you don't wind up in the hospital from all of the junk flying off these things.

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When talking stock restored muscle cars running 15's it makes you realize how important the tune is on the old muscle cars with points and timing adjustments. And all the carb settings. My point is you can take 2 of the same muscle cars and run 14.95 in one and 13.50 in the other because the points are worn and the timing way retarded. But the modern cars are basically all electronicly tuned. As 2 of them might run 13.60 and 13.50 with the driver being the difference. So it is real important to have the tune right on our old muscle to get the most out of it.

As for the race its a crapshoot depending on what is done to each car. And the turbo ricer will respond alot to simple mods changing the boost. I really dont like the ricer Jap cars myself but I do respect that they can run good. Now if you take away the power adder you will definetly kill him ! Ron

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let me chime in from the younger generation (i'm 22)- sure, i may be an oddball in my generation, but i dislike the rice cars mainly because every teenage boy that has a civic thinks they have a 10 second car - it's just ridiculous. i've worked with a couple guys who (admittedly) drove stock hondas and thought they'd run sub 10 second quarters.

i was actually looking at an evo a few years ago in addition to an srt-4 as a DD - didn't get either. i've had one jap, actually korean, car and it was a 1.5L 5 speed (not much of a car lol), and it was pretty quick off the line, but at about 40, it was done.

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The cars are quick, theres no doubt about it. You can call me closed minded all you want but I have a buddy with a 300ZX Twin Turbo, and another with a Mitsubishi Mirage with a 4G63 out of an Eclipse GST running upwards of 20 pounds of boost. I drove it, it was fast (had nothing under 4000 rpm though), but im not into it. There is still no replacement for displacement. At the end of the day if you want to match the boost of any smaller engine running boost, you will make more power.

As far as the EVOs and STis go, they are very over rated due to the 0-60 times and ETs that they run because of their AWD. If you race one from a stop then that matters, but in my area most racing is done from a roll. My friends ZX TT has absolutely waxed every STi thats ever challenged it from a roll and its pretty stock. He only raced one EVO and by 90 he had put enough distance between them that the EVO gave up.

Also, have you ever calculated the first gear ratio in one of those things? They arent surprisingly quick because they are so much lighter than our cars (theyre not) or because there is some black magic to the engines. They are geared extremely quick. First overall is over 13:1 and even second is like 9:1. With that kind of gearing it better move.

I know my competition, and I know how much money these guys dump in their cars. One guy I know of is 60000 into his car to put down almost 500 at the wheels. Even a used high mileage EVO costs 15 K + and thats a good deal. At the point at which I'm 15000 into my car it will be in the 11s with a FRESH engine, not a 100000 mile engine that some kid has beaten the crap out of before me which has had two atomospheres of pressure inside the combustion chamber everytime the pedal was mashed.

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let me chime in from the younger generation (i'm 22)- sure, i may be an oddball in my generation, but i dislike the rice cars mainly because every teenage boy that has a civic thinks they have a 10 second car - it's just ridiculous. i've worked with a couple guys who (admittedly) drove stock hondas and thought they'd run sub 10 second quarters.

i was actually looking at an evo a few years ago in addition to an srt-4 as a DD - didn't get either. i've had one jap, actually korean, car and it was a 1.5L 5 speed (not much of a car lol), and it was pretty quick off the line, but at about 40, it was done.

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tell them theres a guy in Des moines with a "high 11's" dart that will race them for $1000 a pop ... Ill even bring it up there -

we used to street race on a nice open strip up there, right off Oralabor Rd-i think E 29th? on the very southeast edge of town . Im sure its all developed up there by now

If you want to run your car at Eddyville before this season is over -- send me a PM - i race there all the time.

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What 1/4 mile time does your AAR cuda run? Just curious because it's harder to put down that kind of power on the street on crappy asphalt with a torqey rwd than a awd car that's softer on the bottom end. You could easily spin hard on the launch and he could have hooked hard and put a length on you right at launch. Once you hooked I'm sure you'd have reeled him in but in his mind he'd have already won. That and I'm sure you're not gonna be lifting any tires on the street. Surface streets are just not that great for traction: dust, dirt, asphalt hurt a rwd more than a awd. But then even if you did a horrid launch there's every possibility the guy can't drive his own car for crap and you'd smoke him anyway.

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The other guys would get so mad.... we would tell them "you should come out to street race prepared! "

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Goldmember- ahhh, ignorance is bliss.
my little primered honda will run 13's all day everyday. Does not matter if it's 110 degrees outside or 55. It's cosistant with shift points at 9k. No it isn't the worlds fastest car, I never said it was. All I was saying is be careful or you might get surprised but some jap C***. I have a race car too, and yes it will stomp most any ricer, but I sure wouldn't want to drive it daily with no heater, no wipers, no a/c, no abs,no pdb, no power windows, no interior and almost no exhaust. It's not a regualaly street driven car, but it can go on the street. With its whopping 6mpg i'd be stupid to claim it was a driver.

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Up front I'll say that your post was pretty even keel and level headed/realistic, no disrespect or anything intended.... However, while reading the above I couldn't help but think to myself "What's the fun/challenge in putting a pumped up chainsaw engine in a hollowed out coffe can?" I mean seriously it's barely what most people would even deem as a real car with everything you mentioned removed, I've owned Go-karts with more amminities, and IMO more style points than a gutted primered Civic as well..

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God how I love to lol

69b3gt- look here, goldmember- first said I need to bring cash to race him... So with your whole drive across the country b.s. stuff why not pick on him for saying the same thing
Goldmember- ahhh, ignorance is bliss.
my little primered honda will run 13's all day everyday. Does not matter if it's 110 degrees outside or 55. It's cosistant with shift points at 9k. No it isn't the worlds fastest car, I never said it was. All I was saying is be careful or you might get surprised but some jap C***. I have a race car too, and yes it will stomp most any ricer, but I sure wouldn't want to drive it daily with no heater, no wipers, no a/c, no abs,no pdb, no power windows, no interior and almost no exhaust. It's not a regualaly street driven car, but it can go on the street.






Sorry,you missed the I installed in the challenge to kill your pile of crap. It's a joke!! Get it!! I don't pick on the local Honda pilots and even have buddies with turbo charged/stippers that run pretty well,when they actually aren't broken! Don't bring up what others have for fast cars as it's not important and is useless,YADDAYADDA. I have friends that race 7 second rides on the street for large $$$$,but I'm not the type to claim it has any bearing on my rides or habits. Your really wasting time here. Good luck with your very fast car and your dreams.

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A little History on that Talon: That is owned and raced by John Sheppard. He originally bought it as an abandoned project from David Buschur. He was running 10's then 9's and even dipping in the 8's for about 2-3 years in full street trim.(A/C and Heater included) He would even drive it to his day-job 2-3 times a week. In the beginning he was tearing through engines and transmissions like a bad-habit. He got back with David Buschur and has not torn up another engine since. 3-4 years now. As for the transmissions he had to fix that problem on his own. He has created a transmission company based around the beefing up of the trans used in those cars. He is running in the 7's now with a Manual(5-speed) AWD.

Rice or Muscle. I can appreciate and respect them both. Any car/truck in the right hands can be a performer.

Have to cut the kids some slack. Yeah they like Hondas. That is probably all they or their parents can afford. When your under 25yrs old the cost of ownership of a car of any sort is expensive enough. Much less adding the modifying. With the price of things today I would hate to be under 25 and own a MuscleCar, the fuel and maintenance alone would be killer.

I own and modify Rice and Muscle and can see from both sides of the street.

Most Ricers i know aspire to one day have that Muscle Car of their own. BUT they also look at reality and know they have to start somewhere.

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