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New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
      #3493382 - Thu May 10 2007 08:03 PM

original thread is now in the tech archives click the link:
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...425#Post3492965

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Re: New how to paint your car on a budget with a roller [Re: 69DartGT]
      #3494483 - Fri May 11 2007 10:09 AM

Hard to believe nobody has posted progress pictures here yet

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Re: New how to paint your car on a budget with a roller [Re: 69DartGT]
      #3494518 - Fri May 11 2007 10:34 AM

Here at the shop I think we have decided (as we get bored easy and like to try new things)to paint half of my drag car with this method, and shoot the other half with a dupont mix and see if anyone can tell the difference, and see how each holds up.
It will be a bit, we are scheduled out about 4 weeks right now.


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Re: New how to paint your car on a budget with a roller [Re: 2.3turbo]
      #3494585 - Fri May 11 2007 11:07 AM

I found that a roller doesn't reach many hard to get places, so I used a toothbrush.

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Re: New how to paint your car on a budget with a roller [Re: Kudakidd]
      #3494625 - Fri May 11 2007 11:27 AM



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Re: New how to paint your car on a budget with a roller [Re: Kudakidd]
      #3494641 - Fri May 11 2007 11:36 AM

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I found that a roller doesn't reach many hard to get places, so I used a toothbrush.





What great idea!!

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Re: New how to paint your car on a budget with a roller [Re: Challenger 1]
      #3494646 - Fri May 11 2007 11:37 AM

Then use a Q tip for the really tight spots

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Re: New how to paint your car on a budget with a roller [Re: 69DartGT]
      #3494647 - Fri May 11 2007 11:37 AM

69dartGT

Think the truck turned out great! You need to post a before and after pic in your first post

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Re: New how to paint your car on a budget with a roller [Re: R70RUNNER]
      #3495154 - Fri May 11 2007 03:41 PM

Quote:

69dartGT

Think the truck turned out great! You need to post a before and after pic in your first post




Thanks here is a before pic:


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Re: New how to paint your car on a budget with a roller [Re: 69DartGT]
      #3495157 - Fri May 11 2007 03:44 PM

Here's what it looks like today: Plus that black paint under the grill is now red.


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Re: New how to paint your car on a budget with a roller [Re: 69DartGT]
      #3495169 - Fri May 11 2007 03:48 PM



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Re: New how to paint your car on a budget with a roller [Re: Kudakidd]
      #3495175 - Fri May 11 2007 03:51 PM

Don't forget the small foam brushes also. I used brightside fire red and found rustoleum's safety red was a great match for those really hard to reach places like where the bed is next to the rear of the cab on the truck.

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Re: New how to paint your car on a budget with a roller [Re: 69DartGT]
      #3495575 - Fri May 11 2007 08:32 PM

Quote:

Hard to believe nobody has posted progress pictures here yet




69dartGT, sent you a pm....


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: 69DartGT]
      #3495763 - Fri May 11 2007 09:57 PM

Quote:

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...425#Post3492965




This link will take you to the original 159 page thread which is unlocked in the tech archives right at the top.


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: 69DartGT]
      #3496015 - Fri May 11 2007 11:48 PM

Okay I just found out that only a mod can post on a thread in the tech archives, also I can't move just a portion of the thread here, so I suggest we all use it as a ref and then post results here.
I think in the long run a bunch of the things covered early on in the mega thread will be revisited here.
Sort of like this:
http://carpainting.wetpaint.com/page/Rollering+Interlux+Brightside+Polyurethane+Paint

Edited by 69DartGT (Fri May 11 2007 11:49 PM)


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: 69DartGT]
      #3496047 - Sat May 12 2007 12:14 AM

WHEW!! I thought I'd lost you guys, I'm new to this Forum thing and kept looking for a link on the old thread to get here. Tonight I decided to search for this and lo and behold here you all are. Thought I'd lost you for sure.

69DartGT: are you saying that if someone asks for advice that we know is in the original thread we should refer them there and try to keep this thread for progress pics only? I have not started my car yet and I may have some questions to ask. Since I have read the entire first two parts I will try to keep my questions to furthering everyone's information. I would assume this will be fine and we are just trying to avoid rehashing old info.


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: ]
      #3496051 - Sat May 12 2007 12:21 AM

Quote:

69DartGT: are you saying that if someone asks for advice that we know is in the original thread we should refer them there and try to keep this thread for progress pics only?




No I don't see this thread any different then the others just a continuation of same. Post as you would have on the old thread.


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: 69DartGT]
      #3496278 - Sat May 12 2007 06:29 AM

Part III....Now it's a Trilogy

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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: MNobody]
      #3496290 - Sat May 12 2007 07:01 AM

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Part III....Now it's a Trilogy




"One Web-Ring To Rule Them All!!!"


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: ]
      #3496297 - Sat May 12 2007 07:05 AM

Okay, all joking aside, I do have a quick question for those of you who spray bombed thier jambs....
How many coats did you guys do with the bombs on your jambs?

(69DartGT: Thanks for the clarification)

On a sidenote: I just washed a brand new 2008 King Ranch F-350 for a customer here at the dealership. This truck is gloss black. You guys would not believe how horrible the orange peel is on this thing and it's a $55,000 truck. With the attention to detail that we all give, our paint will come out way better than this "factory" paintjob!!!


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: 69DartGT]
      #3497765 - Sat May 12 2007 11:18 PM

Any chance you might go back to the part II thread and tell folks where to find this new thread? A link?

It took a bit of searching to find the new one.

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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: ]
      #3498003 - Sun May 13 2007 04:02 AM

I just recently joined "Moparts" and came across this topic. I started painting my car's under-carriage and engine compartment with "Tremclad" Black Satin with spray cans about 2 years ago and I want to finish it with the roller. It's been 4 years now, I Work Slow I am wondering if the Black Satin will Buff out like Satin or Gloss Also I was going to put on Silver Grey Stripes . I bought a can of Gloss Dark Grey and a can of Gloss Aluminum . Will the Two mix OK I guess I will find out One Way or Another

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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: ]
      #3498263 - Sun May 13 2007 09:21 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Part III....Now it's a Trilogy




"One Web-Ring To Rule Them All!!!"




Here is the thread that started it all...

A Long Long Long Time ago in a far away paint booth a man came up with an idea

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: Wyl E Coyote]
      #3498335 - Sun May 13 2007 10:03 AM

Hey everybody. I just got done making a site about this paint job process, it's

http://www.rollyourcar.com

I have a link to my picture gallery on there, if you have a gallery and want to link it please let me know where your pics are and I will make the link.

I'm not selling anything there, just giving info on the process, so hopefully people don't continually ask if they should use primer, or what to thin with

There are links there back to all 3 threads here. In the future I will update the polishing section and maybe make more of a FAQ, but that would entail going through these threads and finding stuff which will take time.

Dave

Edited by Exit1965 (Sun May 13 2007 10:04 AM)


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: Exit1965]
      #3498452 - Sun May 13 2007 11:08 AM

EXIT, Great Job!!! Site Looks really good.
Already a "favorite".....

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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: ]
      #3498903 - Sun May 13 2007 03:23 PM

Quote:


On a sidenote: I just washed a brand new 2008 King Ranch F-350 for a customer here at the dealership. This truck is gloss black. You guys would not believe how horrible the orange peel is on this thing and it's a $55,000 truck. With the attention to detail that we all give, our paint will come out way better than this "factory" paintjob!!!




I agree. If you are willing to put in the time wet sanding I think you can have a smoother finish than about 90% of the cars out there. Next time you see a Hummer take a closer look. They are about the worst, with Toyota and Subaru as a close seconds. I wish I had not traded in my 96 Probe. I would probably be painting it right now. I'm seriously considering buying another car just because I want to try this so bad. I kinda wish I never saw this thread.

check out the orange peel on this Subaru:

http://www.hillclanfishing.com/legacy/


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: ]
      #3499399 - Sun May 13 2007 08:40 PM Attachment (864 downloads)

Very quick update. Here is my Triumph TR4. Still needs more wetsanding and buffing, but it's getting there. Thanks to all for your help. Will post more pics when I have time.

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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: Smeg]
      #3499474 - Sun May 13 2007 09:16 PM

Sweet TR 4. I love them. Had three or four TR4A IRS's.... ( one of which I dropped a Buick Turbo V6 with an automatic and shift kit into).

And I love the wires. Is that an older one with the painted dash or the 'real burnish walnut wood' dash ?


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: Marq]
      #3499666 - Sun May 13 2007 10:31 PM

arg, i cant figure out how much to thin the paint! Im getting tons of bubbles and runs! I think its too thin, after 3 coats it isnt even coming close to covering up the primer exct. It just looks like its been tinted



you can see all the bubbles, and in the top right corner you can see all the runs

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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: ]
      #3499733 - Sun May 13 2007 10:59 PM

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arg, i cant figure out how much to thin the paint! Im getting tons of bubbles and runs! I think its too thin, after 3 coats it isnt even coming close to covering up the primer exct. It just looks like its been tinted




As noted in the past... each layer does look like just a tinting. It is the culmative effect that gives you the final result. Layer upon layer upon layer of 'tint' eventually adds up to a solid color.

So don't get worried about how thin it is applying and not giving instant coverage. You job as you build the layers is to get them as smooth as possible and minimize the bubbles.

Bubbles are 'somewhat' normal during the course of applying the paint. By using the high density foam roller you will minimize the bubbles transferred from the roller to the painted surface.

By using a cheaper foamy type roller... you are almost guaranteed of bubbles when you lay your coats on.

That is why we went in to a fair number of discussions during the course of the thread about how to work the surface as you lay a coat of paint on. In some cases it is a method called 'tipping' where you gently glide a paint brush over the bubbly surface to pup the bubbles.

In some cases you use two high density foam rollers.... one for painting... and a clean one for doing a quick second roll over the surface to pup the bubbles.

In some cases you can get away with gently blowing on the bubbles and they magically disappear.

In some cases you just have to stand back and do nothing... the bubbles will pop on their own. If they are not popping on their own, it usually means that you need to add some more thinner.

Just think of it this way... the only reason a 'bubble' can survive is if its surface tension is sufficient to hold it together. If it can reach the point where the bubble has dried and still held its bubble shape, then this means there was too much paint in the mix - and the surface of the bubble was able to dry and harden without breaking. So by thinning the paint mix more... the thinner will weaken the surface tension of the bubble and allow it to 'pop' on its own long before the paint begins to cure or harden.

Runs are simply natures way of telling you to not overload the roller with too much of your thinned paint mixture. The best time to tackle them is when you first spot them - and hopefully the paint hasn't begun drying yet. Simply take your roller to it and hopefully you can work it out by spreading it around. If it has dried when you spot it... well it is best to sand it out prior to the next layer of paint being applied. If you don't remedy it and instead just keep adding layers of paint... it will basically amplify its appearance. So nail it early rather than later.

The other thing that might cause bubbles or 'pits' is when the surface was not fully cleaned prior to the next application of paint. Again, this has to do with 'surface tension'. The picture you provided almost looks more like 'pits' where the subsurface ( the one being painted over ) had particles of some foreign matter on it. In a situation like that the overall tension of the paint surface will be 'repelled' from the spot where the contaminant is. In that case you just have to make sure that you go through the ritual of wiping the surface down with a tack cloth and then a quick wipe of just thinner ( only on a dried surface ) to ensure that there is nothing on the surface being painted that could cause a spot to repel the paint and cause the 'pit'.

Hope those ramblings help you out...

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Edited by Marq (Sun May 13 2007 11:10 PM)


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: Marq]
      #3499985 - Mon May 14 2007 01:46 AM

Everything seemed to be going so smoothly on my test piece, two coats 600, two coats 800, two coats 1200(couldn't find 1500) and then a final once over with 2000. Ahh! finally to the buffing stage. It was then that I realized something was terribly wrong. When I went to buff it out I was burning through the top layer of paint and the difference from that and the next coat down is highly visible. I'm thinking my coats must be far to thin. I thinned my paint around 40% and was "wetting" the surface on each coat but the coats were so thin I burned right through them. Marq, Exit, Charger, Dart...Anyone got a good idea of how I can get a thick enough coat so that I don't wetsand through it?

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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: ]
      #3499998 - Mon May 14 2007 02:24 AM Attachment (747 downloads)

New Air Grabber assembly restoration on a budget, Rustoleum Anodized Bronze Semi flat paint 3.99, Silver paint pen to paint rivets 3.99, no.12X1/2" screws 1.69 plus, the repop rubber parts and sticker. Still cutting and fitting the fiberglass base plate for the air cleaner.

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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: NAS Backyard]
      #3500000 - Mon May 14 2007 02:27 AM Attachment (529 downloads)

Painting the rivets, these pens are trick for this kind of work

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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: Exit1965]
      #3500025 - Mon May 14 2007 04:46 AM

Exit, Great Site, Do you think Tremclad Alumimum and dark grey will mix properly

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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: 62440]
      #3500145 - Mon May 14 2007 08:30 AM

Hi all,

I have been reading through this thread for about a week now, having linked to it from www.vwt4ownersclub.co.uk Big thank you to all for the great info!

I have been wanting to get my van painted for a couple of years now, but never seem to have the cash, I have now decided to scrap that plan and have gone and bought a couple of tins of black Brightside!

It will take me a while to prep but I will post pics as I progress. BTW I have found myself checking out random cars in traffic and can't believe how rubbish the factory paint jobs can be.

Edited by J-Boy (Mon May 14 2007 09:05 AM)


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: ]
      #3500611 - Mon May 14 2007 12:35 PM

Have just done a test patch with the Brightside, really easy to work with even straight from the tin, no orange peel and tons of gloss. My optimism is rising!

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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: ]
      #3500659 - Mon May 14 2007 12:57 PM

do they sell rustoleum clear coat in 1gal. or qt.? if they do, where can i order it online ?

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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: lukdart67]
      #3501174 - Mon May 14 2007 05:41 PM

Some guys on the previous thread found this...

http://www.rustoleum.com/product.asp?frm_product_id=219&SBL=2

and this

http://kscdirect.com/category/1000052/1007322/

scroll down and you'll find it.

However, if it has been tryed yet, results have not been posted yet....

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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: Exit1965]
      #3501317 - Mon May 14 2007 07:06 PM

Thanks to all that have made this a great read

I started reading this last year and got serious about rolling my truck about a month ago....since then I bought some Brightside "ocean blue", pre-kote primer and some penetrol...mixed up a batch thinned with about 20% penetrol and a dash of regular mineral spirits and have two coats on my two front fenders. The results blew me away....

It layed down easily and had about a million bubbles....I started to get worried, but continued with the whole fender and then went over it with the second dry roller....badda boom...they were gone!!! Very little orange peel and smooth as a babies behind. Wet sand with 600 or 800 is next on the list...pictures to follow.


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Re: New Paint job on a budget thread. [Re: lukdart67]
      #3501584 - Mon May 14 2007 08:59 PM

So, I have this grill that after 200k miles is sandblasted to hell and dinged, but I'm too cheap to buy a new one.

So I figure I'd just sand it smooth and use some rattlecan rustoleum "chrome" finish with a shot of clear over top to give it that "mock chrome" look when I notice on the can of rustoleum clear it says specifically not to use over the "Chrome" OR RUSTOLEUM AUTOMOTIVE paints!

Just thought I would pass that on...

I ended up using their silver finish with the clear - it is specifically mentioned as compatible on the can - It isn't chrome, but it does look better than it did.


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