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69chargeryeehaa
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Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44............
      #2655425 - Fri May 26 2006 06:45 PM

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Exit1965
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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: 69chargeryeehaa]
      #2655466 - Fri May 26 2006 07:01 PM

I wanted to ask you how you go about touching up this paint? I have some spots where I've applied some bondo, and to avoid painting the entire panel again I want to know how to apply the paint only to this area and yet have it look as nice as the rest of the area. See pic.



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69chargeryeehaa
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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965]
      #2655478 - Fri May 26 2006 07:07 PM

ummmmm, that's a tough one, i never had to touch a area up where i went thru all the layers, i would say you should paint the whole pannel, looks like the rear window shelf???

btw, that paint is lookin really nice there exit, i can't wait to see a pic of it all done, should be


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44............ [Re: 69chargeryeehaa]
      #2655491 - Fri May 26 2006 07:12 PM

OK People,
Been watching this thread from day one and realy got interested. I used to paint a lot of vehicles with a brush and after getting the feel of it, was hard to tell the differance between my brush jobs an a factory paint job. So i know it can be done. Glad to see that some of you folks are so persistant. Nevern tried it with a roller and i'm impressed with your results. I just finnished joining this site so i can go back and look at the old posts. Cant seem to figure out how to get to them. Can anyone help with that?
Lets Roll!


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44............ [Re: ]
      #2655527 - Fri May 26 2006 07:21 PM

the original post is in the moparts tech archive, click 'main index' below the ads at the top of the page, then go down the index page to 'moparts tech archives'



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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: ]
      #2655532 - Fri May 26 2006 07:22 PM

Go to the main list of forums and look in the Moparts Tech Archive. It was in there this morning..

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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965]
      #2655926 - Fri May 26 2006 10:32 PM

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...=0&fpart=23

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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: GTSDave]
      #2656123 - Sat May 27 2006 01:34 AM

Has anyone tried black yet?

I have the typical 80's peeling clear coat on my truck hood and roof.



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69chargeryeehaa
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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Magnum]
      #2658602 - Sun May 28 2006 01:13 PM

Quote:

Has anyone tried black yet?

I have the typical 80's peeling clear coat on my truck hood and roof.






first car i ever painted this way was a 85 honda crx and it was painted black, looked killer, i should scan and post the pic, it was in the time before digital pictures.


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: 69chargeryeehaa]
      #2659822 - Sun May 28 2006 10:49 PM

My old paint is shrinking and peeling in spots. Question is do I have to take all the old paint off down to the bare metal or can I just take the peeling paint off? My concern is that if I paint over it, it will peel off later.

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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: dalbers]
      #2659852 - Sun May 28 2006 11:08 PM

They keep deleting posts.

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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: dalbers]
      #2659858 - Sun May 28 2006 11:10 PM

Just joined the forum, This is a great topic and I have done a few cars with roller and spray on before. My 70 Duster had just about every color tremclad made. One note you cannot paint over the Aluminum paint. Anything applied over this will peel off badly.

The last post refering to the "stock paint" and painting over. As long as all the loose paint is properly removed and you properly prep the surface you can paint right over.

I've sprayed about five cars with tremclad and seems that the thinned paint is very important with that process as well. Like has been said before the R&B method is less dust and less stink which is always nice.

My newest project is an 82 scirocco that I've reserected out of a wrecking yard here in northern alberta. Body work almost done and I'm going to start laying on the paint very soon. goin to go with the Med Blue gloss as it is close to original color. I was browsing at Can tire and they have a Base Tint with about 50 different color variations
anyone try that yet??


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: ]
      #2660611 - Mon May 29 2006 11:22 AM

Put the 8th coat on yesterday. There's about 5-6 places that i discovered dings that I didnt see before painting, so I have just fixed those and will have to repaint those panels with an extra 7-8 coats.

The areas that were fixed from the start still aren't covered 100%. I think the cover is about 80% now, so I'm in for another 3 coats minimum on the whole car.



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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965]
      #2660624 - Mon May 29 2006 11:27 AM

Exit,

That is a great color on a Dart! I like it much better than the almond / cream you were experimenting with. Man your car is going to look very nice!

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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965]
      #2660733 - Mon May 29 2006 12:23 PM

Quote:

Put the 8th coat on yesterday. There's about 5-6 places that i discovered dings that I didnt see before painting, so I have just fixed those and will have to repaint those panels with an extra 7-8 coats.

The areas that were fixed from the start still aren't covered 100%. I think the cover is about 80% now, so I'm in for another 3 coats minimum on the whole car.






Looking great! Would you mind taking a shot with something sharp reflecting that's maybe 3-4 feet away from the car? I'm trying to judge how your (lack of) orange peel compares to my results...


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: ]
      #2661072 - Mon May 29 2006 03:37 PM

I agree. Any different angle shot's?? That look's incredible !! You must feel very good about your effort's. They sure look to have paid off !! I am getting my Satellite media blasted all the way to metal. I also need alittle bondo/ skimming in a couple of places.. Is there any difference with the application or coats from the metal to the bondo's area's ??

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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: sunroofgtx]
      #2661460 - Mon May 29 2006 06:30 PM

exit1965 - that looks awesome job, i'm glad u hung in there and followed thru and did'nt give up, the best part is that u did it yourself for very little $, and you'll love it when u tell people how u did it, again, great job

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Exit1965
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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: ]
      #2661471 - Mon May 29 2006 06:35 PM

I just wetsanded with 1500 so there's not enough shine to take any pics, but I'll try again after the next coat. There really isn't any orange peel but here is another shot before the sanding.



Here are some other pictures after that 8th coat, they are top 4 pics on my photo page here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/xit1965/

There isn't any difference applying it where there's bondo, except the bondo soaks up the 1st coat pretty good.

I need to play with polishing at this point, probably on the hood since I'm not going to use it. I remember the guy with the Z with the stripe (sorry, can't recall the name) had some issues with getting the red to shine.

Edited by Exit1965 (Mon May 29 2006 06:37 PM)


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: 69chargeryeehaa]
      #2662299 - Mon May 29 2006 10:49 PM

I'm having a little bit of an issue. I tried something on the hood, I quickly wetsanded with 2000 then went to the turtle wax polish and a little 6" random orbital buffer/polisher. The surface does come out nice and smooth, but the light shines on it, there is like a white haze. The same sort of light haze the paint has after wetsanding. Anyone know what the deal is with that?

I wonder if it just needs more paint layers in order not to do that?

Ill try it again tomorrow and take pics. Im only worried about final sandnig and polishing on certain areas. the bulk of the side of the car comes out without any issues, but the deck lid and some of the horizontal parts tend to have more dust and crap in them.


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Magnum]
      #2662419 - Tue May 30 2006 01:18 AM

Quote:

Has anyone tried black yet?...






Yes, I am using black. I can post some pics tomorrow if you like.


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965]
      #2662420 - Tue May 30 2006 01:30 AM

Quote:

I'm having a little bit of an issue. I tried something on the hood, I quickly wetsanded with 2000 then went to the turtle wax polish and a little 6" random orbital buffer/polisher. The surface does come out nice and smooth, but the light shines on it, there is like a white haze. The same sort of light haze the paint has after wetsanding. Anyone know what the deal is with that?




Refer to my earlier post...I talked with a local 'pro', this paint has no hardener and you cannot buff without scratching...the finer the grit, the smaller the scratches but scratches non the less. I'm in the process of sanding mine down for a re-coat with BC/CC (and it's a b*tch to get off!). Good luck, Chuck


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: ]
      #2662493 - Tue May 30 2006 05:48 AM

Finally got to experiment with the paint/process this weekend. I painted our front door and storm door with hunter green Rustoleum. Since the original surface wasn't smooth I was really just playing with the mixture and roller method for practice. I wasn't too worried about orange peel. I must admit I was impressed and can definitely see the potential in the process. I can't wait until I get my Sprite project ready for paint.

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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: ]
      #2662585 - Tue May 30 2006 07:02 AM

Quote:

Quote:

I'm having a little bit of an issue. I tried something on the hood, I quickly wetsanded with 2000 then went to the turtle wax polish and a little 6" random orbital buffer/polisher. The surface does come out nice and smooth, but the light shines on it, there is like a white haze. The same sort of light haze the paint has after wetsanding. Anyone know what the deal is with that?




Refer to my earlier post...I talked with a local 'pro', this paint has no hardener and you cannot buff without scratching...the finer the grit, the smaller the scratches but scratches non the less. I'm in the process of sanding mine down for a re-coat with BC/CC (and it's a b*tch to get off!). Good luck, Chuck




I remember you saying that. But I've seen pics of charger's car, and of admactanium's test piece.. they are not red, but they are orange and I didn't see any of this haze there so I'm not sure why I'm seeing it.

I would think the haze would show up in any dark colors, but other people seem to be doing OK. I'll try some more tonight, maybe I need to wetsand a bit more than I'm doing.


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965]
      #2663744 - Tue May 30 2006 04:27 PM



In the worst case, I can always switch back to Canvas White.


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965]
      #2663821 - Tue May 30 2006 04:52 PM

Quote:

I just wetsanded with 1500 so there's not enough shine to take any pics, but I'll try again after the next coat. There really isn't any orange peel but here is another shot before the sanding.



Here are some other pictures after that 8th coat, they are top 4 pics on my photo page here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/xit1965/

There isn't any difference applying it where there's bondo, except the bondo soaks up the 1st coat pretty good.

I need to play with polishing at this point, probably on the hood since I'm not going to use it. I remember the guy with the Z with the stripe (sorry, can't recall the name) had some issues with getting the red to shine.




That looks really fantastic.

Couple questions since you're doing a little better than I at this point...

Did you have any orange peel problems at all once you figured the process out, or does it go on 100% smooth?

How much time are you spending wetsanding between coats? For instance, how much time does the hood take to sand sufficiently?

Thanks.. you're doing some great stuff there!


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: ]
      #2663844 - Tue May 30 2006 05:01 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I just wetsanded with 1500 so there's not enough shine to take any pics, but I'll try again after the next coat. There really isn't any orange peel but here is another shot before the sanding.


Here are some other pictures after that 8th coat, they are top 4 pics on my photo page here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/xit1965/

There isn't any difference applying it where there's bondo, except the bondo soaks up the 1st coat pretty good.

I need to play with polishing at this point, probably on the hood since I'm not going to use it. I remember the guy with the Z with the stripe (sorry, can't recall the name) had some issues with getting the red to shine.




That looks really fantastic.

Couple questions since you're doing a little better than I at this point...

Did you have any orange peel problems at all once you figured the process out, or does it go on 100% smooth?

How much time are you spending wetsanding between coats? For instance, how much time does the hood take to sand sufficiently?

Thanks.. you're doing some great stuff there!




It goes on nice and smooth, if there's any orange peel its very hard to see. I do see a little orange peel on the flat surfaces though, Ive probably put on too much paint there but even then the peel isn't bad and a quick wetsand gets rid of it. I've been waiting about 24 hours before wetsanding just to be safe but that is partially due to the fact that it fits into my schedule that way.

Things arent going that great though in terms of how it looks after wetsanding even with 2000 grit.


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965]
      #2664163 - Tue May 30 2006 07:17 PM

Quote:


Things arent going that great though in terms of how it looks after wetsanding even with 2000 grit.




Hazy?


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: ]
      #2664204 - Tue May 30 2006 07:26 PM

Quote:

Quote:


Things arent going that great though in terms of how it looks after wetsanding even with 2000 grit.




Hazy?




Exactly. Here it is after wetsanding with 2000 grit after the 8th coat:


then after an attempt at polishing:


its a hazy orange red now. Anyone got ideas on this?

If not I'm going back to plan A which is Canvas White (sorry GTSDave ).


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965]
      #2664353 - Tue May 30 2006 08:13 PM

Exit it looks like you didn't polish it enough the turtle wax polish is not that aggressive and it takes longer to polish it. It took over 30 minutes and about 6-7 coats of polish on the small area I did. It might work faster to use some Meguiar's diamond cut polish.

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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965]
      #2664357 - Tue May 30 2006 08:14 PM

Man, it was looking good until that haze issue. I was expecting it to come out like a mirror after seeing the before wetsanding pics!!

As far as touchups? Man... kind of sucks.... after 800gt sanding when you do touchups the paint doesnt seem to match just right.. it is almost better just to sand down the entire panel and put the additional coats needed. It can be done I guess if you take your time.. I guess it would be like any other touch up job.. except you need to be able to feather the edges from the roller pretty good..

I have a major problem with sanding through my edges.. I just cant stop doing it. I touched up some stuff.. a lot.. and I can see where I did it. The reason is because I just dont have the time to spend to do it right. It sucks having to constantly look over my shoulder for the popo or someone that isn't happy with me painting on their property.

Anyway, I called it quits.. finished up with what I had. The paint job sucks but much better than how it orignally looked. It is just too hard trying to rush this process out in the elements and having to drive it everyday, too.

I'll post some images and maybe a video soon. Putting the car back together. Just dont mind the orange peel ^_^

Blah.. speaking of oranges.. I dripped some citrius paint stripper on my paint... stuff works really good.. had it for a second on there and it ate through the top coats. Screwed up one of the nicer parts of the car too! Anyway, should come out with buffing but I already waxed... so maybe in the next couple months I will get it worked out.


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: ]
      #2664366 - Tue May 30 2006 08:17 PM

oh, and for polishing it took me about 10hrs to polish my car.. the sun cooked me. Then I went over with a less aggressive polisher.. but didnt put in enough time on it.. I think just 3hrs.. it looked good enough with the turtle wax - for me.. after waxing it looked stupid shiny.. I can see every drip, peel, thin paint, inconsistancy, etc.. [Edited by Moparts - Keep it clean].. but _still_ looks ok, haha

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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965]
      #2664489 - Tue May 30 2006 08:58 PM

Exit it is the polisher you are using. Orbital has never worked good for me. I have one and if yours is the one I am thinking of, it is barely good enough for waxing a car.

You need to use the right machine. It WILL remove the haze you are seeing.

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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: GTSDave]
      #2664631 - Tue May 30 2006 09:55 PM

Quote:

Exit it is the polisher you are using. Orbital has never worked good for me. I have one and if yours is the one I am thinking of, it is barely good enough for waxing a car.

You need to use the right machine. It WILL remove the haze you are seeing.

-Dave



I used a 7" Variable Speed Polisher/Sander and it was just as bad if not worse...it's just not gonna buff out because the paint isn't hard and buffing it just adds more scratching and hazing effect.

Check out the item on this web page...if this stuff hardens on its own, why would they sell hardeners? Take one of your test pieces thats had a day or two or week or whatever and try to sand it with 80/100 grit sandpaper...the paint will not powder, it balls up ('cause it's gummy)...you remember the scratch test? Here's a variation: rub the tip of your fingernail or the side of a penny across the paint. Don't try to scratch off the paint, just apply hard pressure or roll back and forth...it will leave an indention. This will not happen with any other style of painting that has hardener...go roll your finger or penny across your family car - it's hard as concrete.

I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news but look up 'Alkyd Enamel' (what we're using) on google and do some research. When this stuff is used without hardener, its baked on and cannot be buffed...what you spray is what you get...and as far as wax, the local jobber here says your not even supposed to wax BC/CC for several weeks. The wax prohibits the drying of the paint which is an even BIGGER problem with this technique since we're not using hardener.

As far as everyones pictures looking good, my car looked good too (from 5-10 feet away). Digital pictures do not always show the finer details...

Don't take my word for it...Take some time and research 'Alkyd Enamel', 'hardener', etc right here on the 'net...go visit or call your local Body Shop Supply store. They're usually more than glad to answer questions for potential customers (they did for me)...


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: ]
      #2664666 - Tue May 30 2006 10:10 PM

That was using evercoat medium cut compound followed by megiuar's scratch remover follwed by meguiar's hand glaze.

I'm painting it canvas white. It'll look just as nice but the imperfections in the paint wont be as noticeable. This counts other light-colored scratches that may occur after it's painted that red would highlight.

GTSDave- thanks for the tip, but I can see myself spending more and more money on this trying to get it right only to end up frustrated and having spent too much on a $50 paint job.

At some point, I'll think I've put so much time and money into it that starting it wasn't worth it all when I could have just paid a few hundred and have it shot. One thing I'm glad about is that I saw the bodywork I missed with this red paint on it and I had a chance to fix it. I know I can get satisfactory results with white, and that will only cost me another $15 after I return the unused red paint, so that's the route I'm going.

I'll post some pics when there's no more red..



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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965]
      #2665505 - Wed May 31 2006 11:01 AM

Exit, before you give up on red and all the work you've done, remember you almost gave up on the whole process once before as you were learning. You might want to work with the polishing some more before changing directions. The paint you've laid down so far is incredible, I'm betting you can work it out and get the shine you're after.

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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: ]
      #2665543 - Wed May 31 2006 11:24 AM

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Exit, before you give up on red and all the work you've done, remember you almost gave up on the whole process once before as you were learning. You might want to work with the polishing some more before changing directions. The paint you've laid down so far is incredible, I'm betting you can work it out and get the shine you're after.




I agree... Exit, you've done better than probably anybody who's tried it so far, and it'd be a shame to give up without giving it a heck of a try.

Could it be that the paint hasn't hardened sufficiently yet? Would it be possible to 'bake' a small area under a hot lamp or something and see if it'll polish easier?


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Exit1965]
      #2666072 - Wed May 31 2006 03:16 PM

Exit those pics you posted that show smooth paint and great reflections 8th coat I think.
If it looks so good why wet sand the last coat live with it for a few weeks/months to harden and maybe if needed polish it then.
Just a thought


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: ]
      #2666097 - Wed May 31 2006 03:31 PM

i agree, exit, are you sure your not just seeing it worse than it really is? bacause your starring at it up close, and know every flaw on your paint??? try getting the wife to have a look at it, they're really good at pointing out everything wrong, espically when it's your hobby car!!!!! i'd stick with the red, it looks killer on that car. also when you pull it into the sun, it's a whole different story, trust me, even on my newer cars with BC/CC, you see flaws in the paint in the garage.

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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: ]
      #2666101 - Wed May 31 2006 03:32 PM

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Exit those pics you posted that show smooth paint and great reflections 8th coat I think.
If it looks so good why wet sand the last coat live with it for a few weeks/months to harden and maybe if needed polish it then.
Just a thought




That sounds like a decent idea. Im going to give it another shot on the hood tonight, skipping wetsanding and going right to polish and see if that looks any better. I dont think the sides need any sanding, but junk falls on the horizontal surfaces. Since I'm not using that hood most of the focus will be on the decklid. I suppose I could even take that off and paint it separately so that stuff doesnt fall on it.


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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: 69chargeryeehaa]
      #2666111 - Wed May 31 2006 03:37 PM

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i agree, exit, are you sure your not just seeing it worse than it really is? bacause your starring at it up close, and know every flaw on your paint??? try getting the wife to have a look at it, they're really good at pointing out everything wrong, espically when it's your hobby car!!!!! i'd stick with the red, it looks killer on that car. also when you pull it into the sun, it's a whole different story, trust me, even on my newer cars with BC/CC, you see flaws in the paint in the garage.




how does this paint maintain shine if nothing is done to it? thinking of just finishing the red job and leaving it and not doing any sanding or polishing on it since it seems to look good like that. eventually it will probably need to be at least polished though right?

Edited by Exit1965 (Wed May 31 2006 03:37 PM)


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